Deciding between B7610/B7800, implements (long)

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stretch_169

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Hi all. I have been lurking here for a couple of weeks and learning a great deal as I make this big purchase decision. I believe I am down to the two models listed above but I will give a brief overview of my research. I am not limited to a particular price but have determined a B7800 is as big as I need. I won't be doing any real grading, precise work so I don't believe that position control will be of much greater value to me.

I plan to use a RFM for about 4 acres which is mostly open but fairly bumpy and a rear blade and FEL for snow removal. I don't have a long driveway but I have 3 entryways to the road which are plowed in with deep snow after storms (snowbank height, and FEL height, is an issue here). I also plan to do some work in my 30 acres of woods, but I don't mean trying to clear it with this tractor. I would like to clean up logs and brush and clear some dirt bike trails for me and my sons. This is the reason I would prefer the RFM, my thoughts are that I will have it off the tractor often for time in the woods. I would also do some light digging and rock removal with the FEL (plan to add a ToothBar). My wife would really like a backhoe but that blows the budget and I don't want to compromise on the tractor to get the backhoe. I am not opposed to adding one down the road. Let me preface this.

I live in Maine, so availability is limited and so is negotiating price. I believe I have found some reasonable prices and helpful dealers but compared to some parts of the country our prices are high.

1. John Deere. I looked into the 2320 but the price exceeds the price of a B7610. I haven't driven one yet but will this week before making a decision. Looked at (but didn't drive) a 2520 but seems too cramped for my 6'2". Dealer says about $16k with FEL and RFM.

2. New Holland. Went and looked at TC30, too old-style and industrial to me. Dealer is asking $16,290 with FEL, another $1300 for RFM (Befco 60").

3. Massey Ferguson. Dealer is further away and although I am interested in a 1523 they don't have one (only dealer in Maine, BTW). Quoted me $16,900 with FEL and RFM.

4. Kubota. 2 dealers in the area, the one I like better is closer. Drove a 7510 ( they have a 7610 but it isn't built). I was comfortable, ergos were good. Also drove the 7800, more vibration but I like the size and the 3 speed HST. Pricing for each is $15,700 for 7610 and $17,700 for 7800, both with FEL and Woods RFM (which I prefer as rear-discharge).

Now that Kubota has aligned themselves in terms of financing they are in the lead. I would like some thoughts as to my reasoning here and if I am overlooking anything. I plan to look at the 2320 and would like to drive the 1523 if the Massey dealer receives one this week (they are expecting one).

I really like the 7510/7610 in terms of ergos and less vibes than the 7800 but the size (and loader height) of the 7800 make sense. And, if I decide to add a backhoe down the road the 7800 is the better choice, but I don't want to make my decision based on that because it may not happen. SOrry this is so long but I appreciate any advice.

Dave
 
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At least look at Kubota B2630 or B3030 - since that seems to be the size you are focused on. B3030 looks to me like a good choice - it has 3pt position control over the 7800 - and keeps you in the price range of all models you are thinking of. You need 3pt position control for mowing and grading (makes it easier)
If you add a backhoe later (cost more most of the time) I really like the woods X70 or X80 series over the Kubota BH75. They offer a thumb on the woods....of course this is just my own personal choices...
 
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I guess I should look at the 2630, I think the 3030 is starting to stretch what I want to spend initially.

Dave
 
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I looked at all of them and took 2 years to decide. I tried out the 7610
but I really liked the idea of the extra power of the 7800. I didn't want
to have the I should have got a bigger tractor remorse later! I got the 7800
and I'm very happy with it. Plenty of power and it gets the job done!
Alot of guys here have them and are very happy with them.:D
 

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I am leaning that way but I think I owe it to myself to price out a B2630. I don't think the dealer has one to test out though.

A couple more things. In talking to the dealer it doesn't seem I would really get a better deal on the backhoe buying it with the tractor, he gave me a good price on both a Woods and the Kubota. These prices on Kubotas include filled tires and delivery and the 7800 had the folding ROPS. I am curious to see the difference in price for the 2630/3030.

Dave
 
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I couldn't be happier with the 7800. I will never regret going with this unit. I didn't really like the 3030, drove them both.
 
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I bought the 7610. I only have three acres so it seemed like a nice fit. With more land you may want the 7800 because you may just find yourself with sudden urges to knockdown trees, scrape dirt, and dig holes. The 7800 seemed just a little bigger than I needed even though it would have cost me less than 1K more. I've been digging holes for planting fruit trees, hauling dirt and compost, moving tree branches, bags of cement, rocks, and all sorts of stuff with the FEL. And in the next few weeks I plan on tilling the new garden area. The 7610 seems to have plenty of power (including lifting my 600lb tiller off the trailer sticking out on the end of my bucket forks). So far it's a fine machine. Either way I think you'll be happy with your choice.
 
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Timber, can I ask what you didn't like about the 3030? I have a feeling I may not even be able to find one, I don't believe the dealer I am working with has one so I would have to look around.

Harvster, I agree with you, one of my concerns is that our woods is pretty thick and I am not sure the extra size and power of the 7800 will be an asset.

I know that the extra foot of loader height could be a huge factor in the winter!

Dave
 
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I wouldn't worry about the loader height for snow. Snow is really light and easy to push around. Moving piles around or pushing the tops back is pretty simple in most cases. The bigger issue for loader height is clearing the side of a truck, trailer, bin etc., a situation where you have a known fixed height that you want to be able to reach up to or over.
 
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That's a good point about snow. I just remember a couple of years ago trying to snowblow over 7 foot banks, but I guess a FEL could push them right over.

Dave
 
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My issues with the 3030 has to do with personal taste and nothing to do with the tractor itself. It to is a great Tractor. I don't care for that curved round look it has at all. It has a little to much plastic for me too. But that is the worst I can say about it. Basically it is the same tractor as the B7800 with the exception of position control. If I was spending your money I would go the extra grand and grab the B7800. Just for the extra wt the loader will lift alone. You would be surprised what weighs more than a thousand pounds. I have forks for mine as well and I almost make it to my hay loft. close enough to throw the bales from the pallet. ( I don't recommend Standing on the Pallet but I do it anyway)
Like Dad use to say "Do as I say not as I do" I am very sure you will never regret going with the extra power on the same chasy
 
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I'll give another vote for the B-7800. One thing I don't care for about the 3030 is that it has no clutch. I like to be able to engage an implement slowly such as a post hole digger or tiller.This past weekend, I tilled up several gardens for family and friends, moved quite a bit of stone and dirt and pushed over some small trees for my brother.When I was looking for my tractor, I initially started looking smaller, but then after seeing the dump heights and weight limits, I didn't think I would be happy with a smaller machine. The 7800 seems to combine just the right size and power. It is big enough to tackle MOST homeowner jobs, but yet small and nimble enough to get into tight spots. It also isn't too bad if you have to trailer it.I didn't want to spend the amount that I did on the 7800 as I wanted more implements, but you can add those over the years as I have done. I usually average an implement or 2 a year unless its a high dollar implement.
 
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Your right Steve I forgot all about that there was no clutch. I use a PHD on my tractor all the time and take that for granted. Depending on the implement you want to be able to stop the PTO at any time
 
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Another great point. This is very helpful, I didn't realize it has no clutch. I asked the dealer today about the 2630/3030 and the 2630 comes in about $1000 more than the 7800 and the 3030 another $1000 above that.

Dave
 
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I you are looking at the B7800 you might want to at least check out the Kioti CK30 which goes for about the same money. In a nutshell, the CK30 adds a few "lux" features to what the B7800 has such as position control, suspension seat etc. It is also considerably heavier which may or may not be an advantage depending on your intended use. There is a very good dealer in Lebanon, ME. Welcome to Batchelder Sales.

That said, I don't think you could ever go wrong with either the B7610 or a B7800.
 
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I will give them a call.

One thing I forgot to mention in my last post. When I asked the dealer about the extra features of the 2630/3030, he said the thing he thought was the most beneficial are the telescoping 3PH arms. Can't those be replaced on the 7800 with the parts from a 2630/3030 (for not a lot of money)? Thanks.

Dave

Just took a look at the Kioti site, I guess they are heavier! And longer, are they really almost 2 feet longer than the 7800? That wouldn't be very helpful in the woods.
 
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stretch_169 said:
And longer, are they really almost 2 feet longer than the 7800? That wouldn't be very helpful in the woods.

It is not 2 feet longer. The Kioti spec includes the 3PT hitch while Kubota does not include that. CK30 is 122inches with hitch and Kubota 99 without. I suppose the hitch may add 10-12 inches at least so the Kioti may be bigger but not by that much.

The CK30 is however much heavier. 3000lbs vs 1800. In ground engaging or FEL operations that would generally be an advantage for the CK30. In mowing the weight is pretty clearly an advantage for the Kubota.

They are both great tractors and each in it's own way is a great value.
 
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I just got the dealer to agree to same price for the 2630 as the 7800. So, 4 more hp or all the extra features of the 2630?
 
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Dave

I'm a little behind you in making the choice on what size tractor would be right for me. I'm leaning towards the b7800, just think the price can't be beat. I'm not sure about the 7610 but the center PTO is an option (thought I read it was standard if you got the foldable ROPS) but it's something I would put on my list of must have options. If you ever decide that you want a front mount blower for the snow I think you'll need it.

My friend with a 7800 didn't get it and went with a 3pt blower and boy will it throw snow. This thing will put wet snow 50 feet into the woods. But driving backwards was a turn off. I guess if you have a straight driveway it wouldn't be a problem but mine is about a 1/2 mile long with twists and turns. If you're like me you have waited and learned as much as you can because the tractor you buy should be with you for many years.
 
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If you are thinking about front mounted attachments at all, you might want to consider that the B2630 / B3030 have a much nicer quick attach than the B7800, and also have a 72" front mounted blade available that is not listed with the B7800, or B7610 though I think the shape of the quick attach is the same. It's the way the mount goes on the tractor that is different. The BX series, B75xx, and now Bxx30 series all mount the same way. The B7800 uses a different subframe that looks more difficult to install though users may have a different perspective on that.
 

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