Deck Board Replacement ???

   / Deck Board Replacement ??? #11  
When we built our house, our contractor talked us into Timber Tec composite decking material. It looks nice, and is relatively maintenance free, but there are some things I'm not too fond of.

1. The deck boards are pretty soft and will scratch and gouge easily.

2. When in the direct sunlight, they get pretty hot.

3. We have one board that split across the board in an almost straight line. This board was right next to the house with plenty of protection from the weather. (see attachment)

4. The boards that are exposed to direct sunlight (on the south side of the house) will cup. The boards are fastened with 2 screws at each floor joist about 3/4" in from the edge.

On the plus side, the only maintenance that I have to do, is to pressure wash them each spring (don't really have to, but that's just me).

If I had to do it over again, it would be a toss-up whether I would go with wood or a composite again. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 

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   / Deck Board Replacement ??? #12  
Bear with me on this description, because moisture is important on this material.

I live on the Central coast of California, half way between LA and San Francisco, about 5 miles from the ocean. The temperatures will drop to 28 degrees and will sometimes hit the low 90's. It is generally fairly dry here, with heavy morning dew and afternnoon breezes to dry things up nicely. And of course, no snow or ice.

Around 14 months ago, I purchased and had installed about 2,850 linear feet of Trex tounge and groove 1 X 6 decking material. This decking is covered with a solid roof, but is open to wind and rain on one or two sides. This material WILL span 24" on center as the bottom of it is tressel like in structure and the material is fairly light compared to some other Plastic/fiber material. Keep in mind the only deck load will be a table chairs, benches, people and a rolling barbeque, nothing really heavy.

When I had it installed, they specified at least 12" above the ground level. I am approximately 27 - 30" above the ground. It lays on joists between two concrete stem walls. One at the edge of the house, the other at the outside patio edge which is at ground level or a little higher. There are weep holes every 12 inches. The deck itself is over a 27" high crawl space.

This product has mechanically failed in 14 months. While there is not a lot of rain, and I've only washed it off several times, moisture has apparantly been trapped under the deck causing it to cup, as much as 1/4" - 3/8" on some boards. The manufacture has indicatd there is a good chance they will replace the product and probably pay for the labor as well, because the don't want an unhappy customer on their new flagship product.

The manufacturer indicates that the failure was due to the fact that there was not adequate ventilation below the deck. The top and bottom would get wet, the top would dry quickly and bottom would not. The bottom would swell due to the moisture and the fact that with the tressel construction, there is more area on the bottom than the top.

This is not really a total PLASTIC product. It is product made from recycled plastic and WOOD fibers. Their ads called it a cellulite material, but the manufactures rep called it wood fibers and plastic. The wood holds the moisture and expands. It does not seem to shrink back after the damage is done.

When we installed it, there was not really an adequate explanation about the requirement for venting under the deck; just the distance from the ground which is the reason I believe the manufacturer will make it good.

The good side of this product: It requires no maintenance and the nails or screws do not show. It is fairly stable length wise. It is also slightly wider than standard 2 X 6 material so you need fewer board feet. It also does not come warped or split on the ends, so there is little waste. When installed over open areas such as second floor decks it seems to do OK.

The bad side: It is VERY EXPENSIVE, nearly twice that of redwood. It also seems to stain quite easily from water from the hose or rain. When it did cup, it would pull right through the screw heads and does not seem to return to a flat surface when it dries.

I may or may not replace it with anothe Trex product, but if I do, it will be shaped one more like conventional wood, with 16 penny spacing between planks and screws down through the top. I need to dome some more research.

If themanufacturer covers it, I'm OK, if not, I'm out probably $6,000 - $7,000 in material plus the labor. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

The bottom line, while the weather conditions should not have been a factor, and while I can't whole heartedly endorse it, if properly installed and with good venting, it will probably do OK.

As far as using this product to cover the existing decking, I would say an absolute NO WAY.

I hope this information is helpful. Good Luck.

Joe
 
   / Deck Board Replacement ??? #13  
<font color="blue"> I bought two boxes of those biscuits to put in my dad's front porch last fall, but when he found out how much they cost, he made me send them back. </font>

DocHeb/Junkman,

Another product that makes for a "fastener free" look is an "L" shaped braket that installs underneath and allows you to screw up into the decking from below. Here are two links to check out: ShadowTrack and DeckMaster. Some friends of mine just bought a box of the DeskMaster brackets and screws for their 20' x 13' deck for about $200 (I think). These folks were putting down 2x6 redwood and couldn't bear the thought of visible screws.

The real beauty that I see of this system is that it allows you to replace an individual board without ripping up more than the individual board to be replaced. Don't know how often this might be an issue, but once would be more than enough with the "biscuit" style fasteners! The only drawback with the brackets that I see is that they would be more difficult to use if you can not easily access the underside of the deck...you could still use them, but it would be more difficult.
 
   / Deck Board Replacement ??? #14  
If I had to replace one of the "biscuited" boards, I'd rip it down the length, pull it out half-by-half, and dowel the replacement with epoxy.
 
   / Deck Board Replacement ??? #15  
I'm about to start on a 12 x 24 deck. I built one at the last house nine years ago, and keeping up with the maintenance is a lot of work! I decided that's it's worth it in the long run to spend a "little" extra money in the beginning, but WOW, a "little bit" is starting to look like "a lot" of extra money! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Some of this decking material and vinyl railing is a tad on the expensive side!

I am also looking at the ChoiceDek Premium, from Weyerhaeser at Lowe's. Does anyone have experience with this specific brand? It says it has a limited lifetime warranty!

It claims the product has "no warping or expanding, no sealing or painting, no knots or splinters, moisture/insect resistant, and slip resistant."

It's going to cost about $1000 just for the decking on my 12 x 24 deck. This is twice /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif the cost of using treated lumber! Home Depot is selling a similar product called "Veranda" for almost exactly the same price (about 40 cents higher per piece), but it only has a 15 year warranty

Is it worth it in the long run to buy either of these materials. Has anyone here used them yet, and have you had bad experiences with them? Right now, I'm leaning towards the product from Lowe's, because of the lifetime warranty, but if anyone has any recommendations, I'm here to listen to them!

Thanks! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif


P.S. After re-reading everyone's posts in this thread, I'm starting to wonder if I should just go with treated lumber and save the money to put towards future maintenance. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
   / Deck Board Replacement ??? #16  
<font color="blue"> After re-reading everyone's posts in this thread, I'm starting to wonder if I should just go with treated lumber and save the money to put towards future maintenance. </font>

As I mentioned in my post above, budget is my concern, and I have the same thoughts you do. But, my primary concern with wood is not normal maintenance, but splinters. We're barefoot people at home (and often away from home, ain't the South wonderful?), and a large part of our decking will be a swimming pool deck. The pool will be constructed as an inground pool, but it will be raised (with a retaining wall) to be at the same level as our porch decks, which will be about 30" above the graded elevation and about 5' above the original elevation. There will be a lot of moisture and not much ventilation, which is starting to scare me about the composite products.

The only way I know to prevent the possibility of splinters from wood construction is constant attention and sanding. I'm not good at that kind of maintenance -- I'm usually moving on to a new project and get easily bored with previous projects.
 
   / Deck Board Replacement ??? #17  
DocHeb,

<font color="blue"> I'd rip it down the length, pull it out half-by-half, and dowel the replacement with epoxy. </font>

From what I saw, I wouldn't think that a single rip cut would give you enough clearance to remove a damaged piece without splitting the adjacent boards because of the embedded biscuits (unless the biscuits themselves split/broke first). You do make a good point, and certainly the "rip cut technique" would work even if it took a couple of cuts.
 
   / Deck Board Replacement ??? #18  
I need to make a correction in my post. The product I used was NOT TREX, but was TIMBERTECH. I believe the comments in general will still apply. Also, I do know how to spell tongue.

Joe
 
   / Deck Board Replacement ??? #19  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ....... so I have 3 patios and a large conceret porch . . . talk about NO MAINTAINENCE . . . )</font>

Could somebody please explain the significance of this statement??? What does this have to do with "Deck Board Replacement!
 
   / Deck Board Replacement ??? #20  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ....... so I have 3 patios and a large conceret porch . . . talk about NO MAINTAINENCE . . .

Could somebody please explain the significance of this statement??? What does this have to do with "Deck Board Replacement! )</font>

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