Deere Hydraulic Options

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hawk7

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OK As I have slowly started learning about directional valves that we can add to our tractors threw the power beyond kit. I would like to start this post so others with experience can shed some basic hydraulic knowledge and valve usage experience so when other go to add power beyond they will know what to get. I am familiar with a lot of these terms but it would be nice to have you readers out their add info to them and there could be several other terms I'm missing so please add at will. power beyond, closed center, open center, 4-way 3 position, 4-way 4 position, 3-way 3 position, work port blocked to tank in neutral, work port open to tank in neutral, open to tank in forth position or float, float, direct acting ball and spring relief,pilot acting relief and what ever else. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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All CUTS, SubCUTS and most utility tractors under 100 hp, regardless of color, use open center systems for their implement hydraulics. This means the pump is always pumping and the hydraulic fluid has to continuously flow from the pump thru the control valves and back to the reservior tank. Closed center systems are basically on-demand systems where the pump only pumps when a valve is actuated. These are used on some large ag tractors.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( 4-way 3 position, 4-way 4 position, 3-way 3 position, work port blocked to tank in neutral, work port open to tank in neutral, open to tank in forth position or float, float, direct acting ball and spring relief,pilot acting relief and what ever else. )</font>

These terms refer to the types of spools that are available on most valves. For example, your loader valve has spools that are typically 3 position 4 way and one spool will have a float and the work ports (the lines to the cylinders) will be blocked from returning fluid back into the tank when the spool lever is in neutral.

The relief valve is what will open flow directly to the reservior tank outlet port if the pressure in the valve exceeds a certain limit. There are several different designs and configurations for relief valves.

If you go to the Prince Hydraulics web site catalog section, you can find plenty of information on their various valves and configuration options, most of which will pertain to almost any valve.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( All CUTS, SubCUTS and most utility tractors under 100 hp, regardless of color, use open center systems for their implement hydraulics. This means the pump is always pumping and the hydraulic fluid has to continuously flow from the pump thru the control valves and back to the reservior tank. Closed center systems are basically on-demand systems where the pump only pumps when a valve is actuated. These are used on some large ag tractors.

</font><font color="blueclass=small">( 4-way 3 position, 4-way 4 position, 3-way 3 position, work port blocked to tank in neutral, work port open to tank in neutral, open to tank in forth position or float, float, direct acting ball and spring relief,pilot acting relief and what ever else. )</font>

These terms refer to the types of spools that are available on most valves. For example, your loader valve has spools that are typically 3 position 4 way and one spool will have a float and the work ports (the lines to the cylinders) will be blocked from returning fluid back into the tank when the spool lever is in neutral.

The relief valve is what will open flow directly to the reservior tank outlet port if the pressure in the valve exceeds a certain limit. There are several different designs and configurations for relief valves.

If you go to the Prince Hydraulics web site catalog section, you can find plenty of information on their various valves and configuration options, most of which will pertain to almost any valve.
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Very good description.

I would like to add, if it isn't obvious from Mad's post, that hydraulic valves are basically named after how many ports the have.

A "four way" valve, has 4 ports, a Presure port, a Tank port and two work ports, usually labled a and b.

A 4-way, three position means, the spool has three places it can be, in neutral, open center, p is connected to T, and if it is a "cylnder spool", ports a and b will be blocked. When the spool is shifted one way, P opens to port a, and port b is connected to tank.

In the other shifted position, P=>B, and A=> tank.

A float spool is a four position spool, with an open center small tractor, all ports are open to tank in float.

The situation is a little more complicated with what is typically called mobile circuitry, like on these tractors. There is actually a "parallel" passage which is a fifth land on the four way spool. The parallel passage allows oil to get to all the spools in the stack. When all the spools are in neutral, oil flows through the prallel passage to tank. When a spool gets shifted, the parallel passage is blocked, forcing the oil out the work port, rather than through the parallel passage to tank.

if a valve has "power beyond", the parallel passage is available to be connected to another downstream work function.

Hope this helps,

JT
 
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Actually on most valves with a power beyond option, all the power beyond sleeve does is isolate the outlet port from the tank port. Most Prince, Eaton-Cessna, Dinoil and Husco (used by Kubota) are this way and work as described below.

Internal to the valve, the inlet port connects directly to the outlet/tank ports to allow constant flow thru the valve. When a spool is activated flow is directed to the spool and the work ports exhaust to the outlet/tank ports. Adding a PB sleeve option isolates the outlet from the tank ports. This causes exhaust fluid to flow thru the tank port, and flow from the inlet port will go to the outlet port (the PB) when all spools are in neutral. When a spool or spools are activated, fluid is diverted to the parallel passage and made available to any spool that is activated with any excess going to the PB port.
 
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I think we are saying the same thing?

Mobile "parallel sections" have a distinct parallel passage.
If they did not, when more than one function was simultaneously activated, only the spool nearest the inlet would have any flow.

You are correct that to convert between a power beyond and non power beyond section a plug is usually installed or not installed in the outlet, that allows flow from the parallel passage to the tank passage.

When the plug is in place such that the parallel pasage can not drain into the tank passage, the valve is "power beyond" and whatever the power beyond port gets hooked to must have a path to tank.

I attached page 7 from the prince valve catalog that has a nice description of open center parallel passage.


JT
 

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