Delo 400

cp1969 · Oct 18, 2005

Again, quantify the savings produced by using synthetic.
Monetary savings derived by the user, not lab test results, are what matters. If the lab tests truly indicate meaningful improvement in an area where dino oil falls short, it has to manifest itself in measurable savings to the user. Otherwise, there is no benefit--it's just a bunch of meaningless numbers.

gsxr1100 · Oct 18, 2005

Again, I have gone through this before on this forum. Do a search here since I am not going over the same material 1000 times. Or if you want go over to bob is the oil guy and spend some time reading.

As I stated above, "I have stated throughout the years here on TBN, if you , the users want to see the advantage then run a simple oil tests. No marketing, no reading online no laboratory tests blah blah. It is that simple."

In todays age the results are not meaningless since they are made for dummies, anyone can understand them.

If my alu is 20% lower, OXD and NOX are 10% less, TBN is 2.0 point high at 2X the milage on oil. It is a savings. Just using these numbers, there are other things integral to them. Just my time savings alone is worth it. The pumping temp is worth it. The better add pkg is worth it. Then again what is $20 a gallon in todays age, nothing.

If I can go 10K on the PAO or ester oil and dino is 5K and both wear the same if not lower numbers with PAO etc, it is easy to figure out.

To close, I used dino in the past till I stepped up a level and used a better oil. Even my present car dino will not work since the dino can't take the heat; plain and simple.

odleefs · Oct 18, 2005

Again, quantify the savings produced by using synthetic. 

Savings is in time and money, for example, with autos 3K dino oil changes at $15/change vs. Synthetic 12K changes @ $30/change.
Over 12K miles, Synthetic yields 1/4 the time spent getting the oil changed, 1/4 the travel expenses if you have it changed for you (minimal, yes, I know but still savings) and $15 in savings when compared to dino. Not to mention less oil used is less dependence on OPEC, and possibly this is the most important reason to switch to SYNTH!
Decreased oil consumption promoted by extended synthetic drains is also environmentally friendly, to boot!
Dino oil is penny wise and pound foolish, IMO.
Steve

cp1969 · Oct 18, 2005

I know you have gone over it 1000 times. You show every indication that you will go over it an unlimited number of times.

I have seen the lab results you post over and over. They mean very little to me and I'm sure, countless others following this thread. The language you need to speak is "my costs have been reduced by $.02 per mile". Or, my truck running on synthetic lasted 100,000 miles longer than the one running on dino. That is what it means to derive a benefit from something--money saved, not a piece of paper that says you have less aluminum in your oil and TBN is higher. You have to have proof that these things are detrimental to the point that they will cost you money if you don't run synthetic, and the preponderance of evidence is that you can't. There are far too many engines out there running 'inferior' oil that last far beyond the useful life of the vehicle they propel.

cp1969 · Oct 18, 2005

No one (other than Jiffy lube) recommends 3k oil change intervals these days. Our cars are 10k; my truck is 15k on dino oil.

_RaT_ · Oct 18, 2005

I'm with you Purvis. You can give me statistical data all day in 1000's of posts. In the end, none of my vehicles have ever needed to go beyond 300,000 miles for me. Those that have reached it never failed because of dino oil, they failed because I simply grew tired of them and perhaps they of me. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

odleefs · Oct 18, 2005

Keep in mind that as filtration technology catches up with Synthetic oil technology, this price difference will become more obvious. Mike alluded to 25K filters of Amsoil...these are just the beginning! The current problem with synthetic oil is the filter (non-sensical on purpose) The oil is typically drained out at 10-15K miles and yet it is still good (High Total Base Number, potent anti-oxidant package, etc.), just dirty. Whereas typical dino oil has spent itself over 3 or 4 thousand miles.
Steve

odleefs · Oct 18, 2005

My Toyota 4 Runner is recommended at 5 K changes and 3 K in special conditions. With high pollen counts in this area, 7-8 months a year are considered special conditions.
Note: the above are referencing dino oil.
I am not familiar with truck manufactures recommending 15K oil changes, unless on synthetic oil!

odleefs · Oct 18, 2005

300,000 miles for me. 

100 oil changes at 6 quarts/change = lots of money for OPEC! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

gsxr1100 · Oct 18, 2005

( I know you have gone over it 1000 times. You show every indication that you will go over it an unlimited number of times.

I have seen the lab results you post over and over. They mean very little to me and I'm sure, countless others following this thread. The language you need to speak is "my costs have been reduced by $.02 per mile". Or, my truck running on synthetic lasted 100,000 miles longer than the one running on dino. That is what it means to derive a benefit from something--money saved, not a piece of paper that says you have less aluminum in your oil and TBN is higher. You have to have proof that these things are detrimental to the point that they will cost you money if you don't run synthetic, and the preponderance of evidence is that you can't. There are far too many engines out there running 'inferior' oil that last far beyond the useful life of the vehicle they propel )

If they mean very little then I can’t help you since you have to take the ability to learn them. With the advent of the net, books etc it is not that hard.

If the higher price is too much then so be it. I spend so little on my oil it is funny to even post on it. We are talking $45 a year (on my car) and that includes an oil test to boot. That is about the price of my cabin air filter or about 90% of a bottle of my vodka.

To me, oil analysis information is priceless. Again the $16 is a drop in the bucket. Again, you are looking for something in stone that states it will work to XXX amount of savings go luck. There is more to it then that. If you save 10% on your bearings, or 25% on copper rates that IS saving money down the road. It is called protecting longer.

And yes a piece of paper is money saved since again, it is called being proactive here. Dino oil in my car will not work. The heat will kill dino quicker then anything. The heat will also raise OXD and NOX levels; thus making sludge. Again for the small increase in price, it is a savings.