Delo 400

   / Delo 400 #141  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ( My Toyota 4 Runner is recommended at 5 K changes and 3 K in special conditions. With high pollen counts in this area, 7-8 months a year are considered special conditions.
Note: the above are referencing dino oil.
I am not familiar with truck manufactures recommending 15K oil changes, unless on synthetic oil! ) )</font>

I agree. GM cars are like 10K with the oil life deal and BMW is like 15K (synthetic). Even MB knocked it down some. I know even toyota went back to 5K drains.

Unless he is running a by-pass on a personal car/truck, no way.
 
   / Delo 400 #142  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( </font><font color="blueclass=small">( Like I said, all synthetic oils have much higher temperature tolerance for oxidation and degradation than all dino oils, that is a known fact. )</font>
That synthetic oils have an edge is not in dispute. What is in dispute is whether the user benefits that should arise from these superior qualities can be detected outside of a laboratory.

</font><font color="blueclass=small">( In simple terms, if you are running a turbocharger under load, and it is pressure lubricated and cooled using your crankcase oil, you are much better off with a modern full synthetic oil instead of old dino juice. )</font>

Exactly how much better off are you? "Much" is pretty vague but would suggest to me that there is money to be saved. Surely there is some way to quantify the savings.

There are simply too many examples of companies running turbo diesels in heavy duty applications with plain old dino oil, to and beyond the specified overhaul time to condemn dino oil as unfit for use in them. )</font>


I have only use synthetics in all our turbodiesels simply due to their extremely high resistance to oxidation and degradation by the excessive heat load imposed on them by the turbochargers.

I'm not sure that you understand basic chemistry regarding synthetic oils, oxidation of hydrocarbons or the operation of turbochargers. Read up in some of the books I've referenced for you so you can understand why.
 
   / Delo 400 #143  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Unless he is running a by-pass on a personal car/truck, no way.)</font>

Way.

2003 Dodge 5.9 Cummins--up to 15K if certain conditions are met.(I only run it up to 10K or so). 2002 VW Beetle 2.0 gas--10K. 2002 Acura RSX--10K. No mention of synthetic being needed in any of them.
 
   / Delo 400 #144  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I have only use synthetics in all our turbodiesels simply due to their extremely high resistance to oxidation and degradation by the excessive heat load imposed on them by the turbochargers.

I'm not sure that you understand basic chemistry regarding synthetic oils, oxidation of hydrocarbons or the operation of turbochargers. Read up in some of the books I've referenced for you so you can understand why. )</font>

None of your response addressed my question: How much better off are you? I should also follow up with, "How did you measure how much better off you are?" I can answer both questions for myself. By running dino oil in some vehicles and synthetic in others, I could detect no measurable savings for me by spending the extra money on synthetic. I had no oil failures in any of the engines I've owned and so far, they've all left my possession under their own power without $1 being spent on repairs related to inadequate lubrication. How's your story go? Different?

As far as my knowledge of chemistry, turbos, etc., goes...well, I'm going to guess that it's at least average so I don't feel that I'm really operating at a big disadvantage. That stuff is nice to know but not really germaine to the issue. Is it reasonable to expect an oil purchaser to have taken chemistry in order to make a choice of oil? Or is that a smoke screen to try to make it sound as if only those with a chemistry background can make an informed choice on oil? I don't think you really need to know any of that...all you gotta do is look at the bottom line: Did it save me money? It takes --ZERO-- hours of college chemistry to be able to figure that.
 
   / Delo 400 #145  
<font color="blue">100 oil changes at 6 quarts/change = lots of money for OPEC! </font>

Ahhh, so thats how they've been doing it. Had I known this... things would be different. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Delo 400 #146  
Does anyone know how much crude oil is required to make one quart of synthetic oil vs 1 qt of dino oil ?

Ben
 
   / Delo 400 #147  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Does anyone know how much crude oil is required to make one quart of synthetic oil vs 1 qt of dino oil ?

Ben
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None
 
   / Delo 400 #148  
</font>( I have only use synthetics in all our turbodiesels simply due to their extremely high resistance to oxidation and degradation by the excessive heat load imposed on them by the turbochargers.

I'm not sure that you understand basic chemistry regarding synthetic oils, oxidation of hydrocarbons or the operation of turbochargers. Read up in some of the books I've referenced for you so you can understand why. )</font>

None of your response addressed my question: How much better off are you? I should also follow up with, "How did you measure how much better off you are?" I can answer both questions for myself. By running dino oil in some vehicles and synthetic in others, I could detect no measurable savings for me by spending the extra money on synthetic. I had no oil failures in any of the engines I've owned and so far, they've all left my possession under their own power without $1 being spent on repairs related to inadequate lubrication. How's your story go? Different?

As far as my knowledge of chemistry, turbos, etc., goes...well, I'm going to guess that it's at least average so I don't feel that I'm really operating at a big disadvantage. That stuff is nice to know but not really germaine to the issue. Is it reasonable to expect an oil purchaser to have taken chemistry in order to make a choice of oil? Or is that a smoke screen to try to make it sound as if only those with a chemistry background can make an informed choice on oil? I don't think you really need to know any of that...all you gotta do is look at the bottom line: Did it save me money? It takes --ZERO-- hours of college chemistry to be able to figure that.

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Excellent, you've already convinced yourself 100%!

I bet you could do allot better than that though. Do to the fact that you've never had any problems with lubrication of turbodiesels, you should extend your filter and oil changes out 3X or 4X or maybe even 5X, it just goes to show that your wasting good filters and oil.

A 40,000 or 50,000 mile change out schedule to take advantage of your excellent results is warranted to lower costs even more. Like you said, oil is oil even if you don't know or understand anything about it. My college roommate never changed the oil or filter in his car in four years, just kept adding a quart of the cheapest dino oil he could find every 300-400 miles when the lifters started knocking real loud and he sold the car with 225,000 miles on it and it was still running good but it did have allot of blue smoke in the exhaust . He did not know anything about chemistry or oil either, but he sure was an excellent salesman! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Delo 400 #149  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Way.

2003 Dodge 5.9 Cummins--up to 15K if certain conditions are met.(I only run it up to 10K or so). 2002 VW Beetle 2.0 gas--10K. 2002 Acura RSX--10K. No mention of synthetic being needed in any of them. ) )</font>

good luck with the 15K drains. If you can spend the money, do a test since you will be suprised on how badly it comes out and the lovels will be sofar off...go luck. I know what mypowerchoke did with a group 4/5 oil and that was for about 12K drain. They would be no way a dino would hold up that long.

It is "up to 15K" not saying go 15K miles. Samething with amsoil they state "up to" & 90% of the users can't do 25K.
 
   / Delo 400 #150  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( There are simply too many examples of companies running turbo diesels in heavy duty applications with plain old dino oil, to and beyond the specified overhaul time to condemn dino oil as unfit for use in them. )</font>

The GC I work for has millions of dolalr of Cat, JD, and other equipment setting on jobs and on his lot. Most of it is ground engaging equipment.. works full throttle all day, every day.. gets dino oil.

Much of our 'big' equipment is from the 70's I've been here for 13 years.. I can remember 2 engine rebuilds, and one lower job that just got main and rod bearings...

Just havn't seen the catastrophic lo0ss of turbo diesel engines ( from the 70's no less ) since we don't use synthetic oil. in fact.. I bet if you add the price difference from the multiple barrels of dino oil we use per month.. to synthetic oil.. I bet you could do an engine rebuild every year and come out even money.. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Soundguy
 

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