Diamond in the ROUGH???? Deere 450b

   / Diamond in the ROUGH???? Deere 450b #11  
It is probably worth at least $2000 or so as scrap at todays prices. I had one of these for about 15 years. They were good dozers in their day. I can tell you from the pics it needs a complete undercarriage which consists of tracks, sprockets, chains, probably rollers and front idlers plus a few other pieces. Figure 5-6 large, as in thousands. Now after that you get to check into the motor, tranny, steering clutches, final drives and the hydraulic pump.

Neat find but you are biting off a lot of work and money to get her dirt worthy again. Best of luck in whatever you decide!

About 3 weeks ago, there was one in the local yard. He got $1800 for it, but had to drain all fluids and remove the battery. The battery was worth an extra $12.00. I found an old oliver and haven't decided which route it should go.
 
   / Diamond in the ROUGH???? Deere 450b #12  
This reminds me, last fall I was offered a 1969 CAT D8. It ran when parked 5 years ago, needs seal work on drives. Straight blade used to be cable lift but was converted to hydraulic about ten years ago. Was told if I move it its mine. Turned it down, way too big, but boy would it irritate the wife!!!!:laughing::laughing:
 
   / Diamond in the ROUGH???? Deere 450b #13  
Same model I wias looking at.

Out of curriosity how can you determine it needs a new undercarriage from the photos? I need to learn these things.

I bet it will be a lot of work but if a guy could get it work ready for 5k you would be a few thousand cheaper than the one I was looking at and know what you have.

I am looking but would have to pass on this, I dont have enough time to work on another project!
 
   / Diamond in the ROUGH???? Deere 450b #14  
Same model I wias looking at.

Out of curriosity how can you determine it needs a new undercarriage from the photos? I need to learn these things.

I bet it will be a lot of work but if a guy could get it work ready for 5k you would be a few thousand cheaper than the one I was looking at and know what you have.

I am looking but would have to pass on this, I dont have enough time to work on another project!

When you own and fix one for 15 years things jump out at you. Look at how thin the pads are, and the grousers are worn almost completely off. Several pads are bent, probably because they are so thin. The teeth on the sprockets look like little nubs. The chains are what hold the tracks together, look how thin they are on the bottoms, the part that rides on the rollers and idlers. Not much meat on the front idler pulleys either. No doubt all the pins are shot too. The pins are what hold the chains together. Probably the track tensioning system probably needs some help too. Track frames were a weak point on these units, could be cracked or broken stripped bolts, more head aches.

You may be able to find a used setup for $3000 so you could save some over new, but those things are heavy and it is hard work to replace that stuff. That is just on the surface. No doubt if the owner left those tracks get that bad, for sure the rest of the machine is pretty tired too. To replace steering clutches, which are probably shot too is another $3500 bill. Again much of the machine has to come apart. Final drives may be OK, but if anything there needs work you could easily spend another $1000. If the tranny, motor, clutch, or pump need anything....well you get the point.

I had to put a radiator in mine. Part of it is a hydraulic oil cooler. That part was fine, just buying the tanks for the water part and having a good shop rebuild the unit cost me $600, 10 years ago and I did all the R&R. The entire front has to come off the machine, not fun up in the woods.

So you can see with these things, just like cars and trucks, there comes a time when it is just not worth fixing them. This one in the pics could qualify. Better to spend a little more and get a machine that does not need so much going in.
 
   / Diamond in the ROUGH???? Deere 450b #15  
I couldn't see the rails and chain well enough to tell, but those grousers and pads tell a lot. Gonna need some undercarriage work.

I don't like the missing hood either. Even if it was taken off for something minor, It looks to have sat open to the elements for a long time.

I guess the only way to tell if this will work out as a salavageble machine vs scrpa is to get it back to your shop and closely inspect. Good luck!
 
   / Diamond in the ROUGH???? Deere 450b #16  
Another 450B diamond in the rough? I know little about treads, but these seem like they are in good condition?
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   / Diamond in the ROUGH???? Deere 450b #17  
I see the dry clutch idea was abandoned by the time they started making 450C's.
Do people typically replace both sides and both brake bands at the same time?
 
   / Diamond in the ROUGH???? Deere 450b #18  
   / Diamond in the ROUGH???? Deere 450b #19  
I see the dry clutch idea was abandoned by the time they started making 450C's.
Do people typically replace both sides and both brake bands at the same time?

Depends on the hours, and if service records were kept. People's memories do funny things when they go to sell their equipment.

I see $10k in making that dozer right again.

I'll offer you $400 for the sweeps, all the swing frame sheet metal, and the Donaldson pre cleaner.
 
   / Diamond in the ROUGH???? Deere 450b #20  
Those sell around here for about 8,000.00 in decent shape
 

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