Buying Advice DID I PAY TOO MUCH?

[aczlan]

Yes, you can still reman your old engine. As long as you don't buy a new one at the same time. CARB has implemented a one for one policy on new motors. As far as auto's go, I don't know what individuals are having to do. For instance, if you go to a dealership and buy a new crate motor for your hot rod project, I am not sure if you have to turn in a core or not. But I know for manufactures of equipment, if you buy a new motor for an old machine, the old core MUST be destroyed. No reman option. So we normally strip usable parts from those engines to give back to the customer. BUT, the block MUST be holed.

Finding machine shops is getting harder and harder. Some are still around and prolly will be for some time. BUT, a lot of the smaller shops have closed up their doors. B.

AFAIK, that is nationwide for pre-tier 4 engines.
The engine/machinery manufacturers are allowed to replace pre-tier 4 engines with brand new pre-tier 4 engines IF they provide documentation that the old engines were made unusable.

Aaron Z

 

[ericm979]

LOL, no there are not tractor emission inspectors at the Ag entry stations. BUT, I work for a nut harvesting equipment manufacturer. And any time we have to change an engine, we have to punch holes into the old engine block, take pics of the holes in the block, and send those to the engine supplier. Because the emissions controls are so strict here in California, CARB does not want a possibly used engine being rebuilt and put into service. Which, by their reasoning, there would now be two engines adding to the carbon footprint.

You have to destroy the old engine only if you are taking advantage of the upgrade program where the state pays you to go to a Tier 4. It's only available for registered ag businesses. If you are not getting paid under the program there is no requirement to destroy the old engine. You can sell, rebuild, etc your old engine as you please.


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There is also a national program available to any state that wants it:
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2017-02/documents/fy17-state-program-guide-2017-02.pdf

The ag inspection stations are to check for people bringing in produce that can habor pests or diseases that are not yet rampant in California. It's not to protect our ag industry from competition (much of what we grow here is exported to other states anyhow). It's to protect our ag from disease and pests.
I had friends in college who worked at ag stations. They get good at spotting people trying to sneak stuff in. Many of the ag stations are closed now. It's been years since I've seen an open one.

Used CUTS are expensive in California for a few reasons. Many things are more expensive here due to cost of living. In much of CA farming went big early on or never was small. So there's not so many old tractors left over from small farms. Few tractor manufacturers were out here. Everything has to be shipped out (which also makes attachments expensive). And it's not just California. CUTS are in demand across the US as people adopt the "rural lifestyle":

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[ericm979]

Yes, you can still reman your old engine. As long as you don't buy a new one at the same time. CARB has implemented a one for one policy on new motors. As far as auto's go, I don't know what individuals are having to do. For instance, if you go to a dealership and buy a new crate motor for your hot rod project, I am not sure if you have to turn in a core or not. But I know for manufactures of equipment, if you buy a new motor for an old machine, the old core MUST be destroyed. No reman option. So we normally strip usable parts from those engines to give back to the customer. BUT, the block MUST be holed.

For cars, you have to meet emissions regs for the year the car is registered as. If you are building a kit car that "looks like" a pre '75 car (i.e. hot rod or Cobra replica), you get an SB100. That grandfathers you in and you can run anything. The "looks like" can be pretty broad. But the numbers are small so CA doesn't worry about it much.

If you have a car registered as a post '75, it has emissions requirements. Many aftermarket companies make performance parts that have CARB Executive Order exemptions- basically the part is tested to not make the car exceed the emissions limits. My last car had a number of totally CARB legal tuning parts on it and made quite a bit more power than stock. There's a list of EO exemption parts published by CARB, it's many 10s of pages. You can even do engine swaps on post '75 cars but you have to meet emissions for the year the engine was made if it's newer than the car. You take the car to a referee and if you know what you're doing you can do a lot. GM's been making CARB legal crate motors for years, if you can't SB100 or referee it.

There is no requirement to destroy car engines for emissions reasons.

Finding machine shops is getting harder and harder. Some are still around and prolly will be for some time. BUT, a lot of the smaller shops have closed up their doors. B.

That's nothing to do with emissions. Car last a lot longer now, parts are less rebuildable, and it's often cheaper to replace parts than to machine them. Most people don't turn brake rotors any more because the time to run them to the machine shop and the labor to turn them costs about the same as a new rotor. Also rotors are made thinner now so there's less to machine off.

I don't want to seem like I'm arguing with you having replied to two of your posts. I'm not. Your posts were both well written and stated the issues clearly, so they were good ones to reply to.

 

[California]

The ag inspection stations are to check for people bringing in produce that can harbor pests or diseases that are not yet rampant in California. It's to protect our ag from disease and pests.

Used CUTS are expensive in California for a few reasons. ... farming went big early on or never was small. So there's not so many old tractors left over [while] CUTS are in demand across the US as people adopt the "rural lifestyle".

The ag stations at the borders are the first line of defense against pests that would be extremely costly if they got established here. It's a biology focus, not general Big Brother law enforcement.

Anybody remember the original Grapes of Wrath movie? Where the D8 pulling a wide disc plow, knocks a little abandoned farmhouse very slightly off its foundation, making the house useless? 80 years ago and a metaphor for big commercial ag displacing the one-horse farm, and its small-scale owner, long ago.

Here's a place that still rebuilds huge industrial and farm engines. I once stopped to ask wtf was a v-16 much larger, as I recall, than the engines in this Google Street View. (click & spin the photos). They told me it was the motor from a giant mining truck used at the strip-mining gold mine at Carlin Nevada.

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Pic of a V-20 in their shop. Maybe that's what I saw.

 

[Jstpssng]

The ag stations at the borders are the first line of defense against pests that would be extremely costly if they got established here. It's a biology focus, not general Big Brother law enforcement.

Anybody remember the original Grapes of Wrath movie? Where the D8 pulling a wide disc plow, knocks a little abandoned farmhouse very slightly off its foundation, making the house useless? 80 years ago and a metaphor for big commercial ag displacing the one-horse farm, and its small-scale owner, long ago.

Here's a place that still rebuilds huge industrial and farm engines. I once stopped to ask wtf was a v-16 much larger, as I recall, than the engines in this Google Street View. (click & spin the photos). They told me it was the motor from a giant mining truck used at the strip-mining gold mine at Carlin Nevada.

B&R Head & Block Repair

Pic of a V-20 in their shop. Maybe that's what I saw.

As much as we diss your state, if California ever stopped shipping produce we would see a huge increase in our grocery bill as well as a sharp reduction in selection... especially for those of us who strive to buy USA grown because of the standards for pesticides and growing standards.

 

[LindenBruce]

I don't want to seem like I'm arguing with you having replied to two of your posts. I'm not. Your posts were both well written and stated the issues clearly, so they were good ones to reply to.[/QUOTE]

Oh no, I got that Sir. You were just supplementing my posts with added info that I did not take the time to insert myself. It's all good.

Now if we could only NOT get late rains that destroy the bountiful cherry crops every year the poor old cherry farmers would be happy. What a shame this year. The trees were over flowing with cherries this year too. Almost a total loss. SMH. B.