Oil & Fuel Diesel Engine operation

   / Diesel Engine operation #11  
I've heard that it is good for any diesel to be idled for a period after hard use. The reason being that the comparatively large amounts of fuel burned creates more heat in some spots than in other spots. Idling the engine before shutdown gives the engine coolant more time to equalize the temps in various areas, thereby reducing the chances of warping, etc, as mentioned in the previous post. My tractor temp guage runs at a slightly higher temp when working the engine harder. I idle mine at about 1200 rpm before shutdown until the temp drops to the lower reading.
 
   / Diesel Engine operation #12  
I've heard that the reason diesel engines are left to idle after working hard is to equalize the temperatures within the engine, by idling this equalization happens slower than just shutting a hot engine down.
 
   / Diesel Engine operation #13  
M.Sullivan - I do exactly as you describe - start it up in the garage, wait no more than 1 minute, and very very slowly in lo range at maybe 1200 rpm drive her out into the fresh air so as not to asphixiate my family. If in the end that takes 100 hours of life off of the motor, so be it, safety first. If you want to REALLY wrap this thread into another, let me add that I use synthetic oil, and since switching I worry A LOT less about warmup than I used to when I had dino oil in it.....
 
   / Diesel Engine operation #14  
It's my opinion (whether right or wrong) that you do no harm at all driving the tractor out of the garage with only a minute or so warm up, i.e., get the oil circulating good, so long as you're not working it hard, i.e., not under a load or full rpm.

And I agree with you guys about letting it idle for a little while to cool down, even if you don't have a turbo, but I honestly don't know how long you should do that.

Bird
 
   / Diesel Engine operation #15  
Guess I do what most of you do. I start the tractor and let it idle for about 30 seconds to a minute, raise the loader and whatever's on the 3 point, then off I go. I don't push the tractor until I see the op temp come up. When done with the tractor I drive back to the pole barn at an easy clip, let the tractor idle for a minute or two, then turn it off, lower the bucket and 3 point. Also, since I'm working in such dry, dusty conditions right now, I'm blowing out the air filter about every day.

I want my tractor to last right up 'till a M series HST comes out. Drove my Brother's tractor again a few days ago. You guys on the HSTs really have it made!
 
   / Diesel Engine operation #16  
There is an important point regarding warm-ups that hasn't been mentioned so far. Unlike gas engines, diesels don't warm up much at idle speeds below 1500 rpm. Below 1000 rpm, many diesels won't maintain operating temperatures, which is why idle is good for cool down but not so good for warm-up. I give mine a few seconds at 800 to let the oil pressure come up, and then increase to 1500 rpm for the warm up.

What I've heard regarding extended idle times is that diesels idle well. They can idle all day. However, idling at below operating temperature results in incomplete fuel combustion, which contaminates engine oil. The oil should be changed more frequently in diesels that idle a lot. I know my diesel doesn't come up to operating temperature when I chug around doing loader of pallet fork work at around 11 - 1200 rpm. I notice that there is more smoke on acceleration than when the engine is worked harder.

Other than oil circulation, the reason for a warm up is that parts change size and shape at as they warm. Parts are designed to fit to clearance when the engine is at operating temperature, not when it's cold. The parts in a cold engine just don't fit together that well. For example, a cold piston isn't even close to cylindrical. They taper toward the top, which is hotter than the skirt during operation. They also are oval, to compensate for the extra heat retained by the wrist pin. There also are sizable gaps between the ends of the piston rings at room temperatures.
 
   / Diesel Engine operation #17  
Kubota gives specific details on proper warm up times and the rpm to use. That is plain enough for me.

On idling there was an article in Progressive Farmer last month in which both Caterpillar and Cummins stated that slow idle is terrible on diesels. They burn so little fuel at slow idle that the engine temp drops and incomplete combustion causes fuel puddling and engine oil contamination. This leads to compounds containing sulfuric acid in the crankcase. They advise a 2 to 3 minute cooldown after hard work.
Hope this helps
Greg H
 
   / Diesel Engine operation #18  
Very well said, TomG. Actually my manual says to "Set the throttle lever about 1/2 way" to start it. I just can't bring myself to do that to a cold engine. I have my idle set down to about 800-900 and I start it, just give it a few seconds to bring the oil pressure up, then open the throttle to 1400-1500 rpm to warm up; just as you do.

Bird
 
   / Diesel Engine operation #19  
Bird - my B2710 was also delivered with the idle set to about 1200 rpm. This seem high but I dont recall seeing the a factory spec for idle speed either in the owners handbook or the workshop manual. Furthermore I dont recall seeing any instructions on how to adjust the idle. How did you adjust the idle on your tractor ?
 
   / Diesel Engine operation #20  
Robert, open the hood, remove the right side engine cover, and you can see the throttle lever rod, and there's an adjustment screw that changes nothing but how far back the rod can go when you push the throttle lever to the idle position.

Bird
 

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