Oil & Fuel Diesel HP vs Gasoline HP

   / Diesel HP vs Gasoline HP #61  
In the specific case of grass cutting, the main benefit of an engine with a wider power band (diesel or diesel-like) is that it can keep chugging even when you bog it down with too much grass to spin at full speed. The cut will look like crud, but at least you didn't stall the engine.

Cutting grass requires blade RPM's. Cutting grass at less than the mximum blade RPM's your mower can deliver will result in a less satisfactory cut.

So, if you like a good cut, and you mow often enough to not have to worry about bogging down the engine, a gas engine will work great and will save a lot of $ when you buy it. Being able to deliver a product with less expensive air-cooling is a huge price differentiator. (does anybody know of any examples of air-cooled diesel engines?)

If you like to chug through 2-foot high grass that you mow once a season with half-mulched green sludge coming out of the discharge chute, a diesel might be the way to go. (Isn't this kind of like highway road-side mowing?)

For running hydraulics, both types of engines are typically revved up well within their power band and unless you are stalling it down because the pressure bypass is set incorrectly, both should perform about the same. The hydraulic pump flow ratio should be setup such that both are at their power peak.

For applications where the load and RPM's vary over a wide range, (like using a multitude of PTO-driven implements) the diesel is likely a more flexible setup.

For applications where light weight, low cost, and quick throttle response are important, a gasoline engine might be more appropriate.

For pulling a plow (or a big trailer), other considerations such as fuel efficiency and durability under full load start to come into play.

- Rick
 
   / Diesel HP vs Gasoline HP #62  
I didn't understand why your mind was confused here.

Okay, let me play;

Power = Torque x Angular Speed (units: LB-FT x 1/Min.)
= (Force x Length) x Angular Speed
= Force x (Length x Angular Speed)
= Force x Linear Speed (units: LB x FT/Min.)

So, Force (LB) is involved in all forms of Power/Torque/Energy/Work/etc whatever you want.
I'm not sure if this is the answer to your question.

Are you asking that Torque and Work that are done by Force? See Torque = LBxFT same as Work energy (LBxFT). So, torque can also be considered as a kind of energy form. Dividing them by certain time interval will give you the Power (watt or hp) and its meaning will not change much. Therefore, Torque, Energy (Work) and Power are in the same class. So, saying Torque is more important than Power isn't much meaningfull.

Ps: I'm not using PI (3.14...) or radyan angle units as these don't have any affect on the physical forms of quantities. For ex., I used above 1/Min (instead of Radyan/Min.) as the unit of angular speed. It doesn't matter.
 
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#63  
Nomad, I stand (actually sit) corrected. Your analysis is thorough and well thought out. My thoughts were aimed generally as to where the 'energy' for the whole machine was coming from and you were speaking much more specifically. I'll need to find a text book to fully understand some of your post. Thanks, Dave
 
   / Diesel HP vs Gasoline HP #64  
Dave, you can't find such use of terms like I did above in text books. For ex., no where you may see such a thing like "Torque is a kind of energy form" - I just simplified the language here by showing their units are same.

Actually, like Keeney kinda mentioned above, such a question should have been asked here "FORCE or SPEED important?" rather than "TORQUE or SPEED important?" because sometimes the Torque disappears while the Force flows through the components.

Also, in dynamical systems like our engine; usually Force Balance Diagrams are drawn rather than Torque balance diagrams. For the same power, you can either increase the force and decrease the speed OR decrease the force and increase the speed. But the WORK (energy) or say POWER in either case is same. So, if our aim is to do a WORK, then it doesn't matter much whether you increase force or speed. Someone above said "we don't use 10,000 RPM at our tractors because we need more torque" - No, this is not correct. If our attachments were able to work at 10,000 RPM, we would have such high speed tractors today. Technology is limiting our speed. That's the reason why our tractors have low RPMs.
 
   / Diesel HP vs Gasoline HP #65  
Nomad,
Ok clearer now. Guess I will just stick with designing software and working on tractors instead of designing them /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Just a country boy nerd.
 
   / Diesel HP vs Gasoline HP #67  
Ya beat me to it!

Soundguy
 
   / Diesel HP vs Gasoline HP #69  
I have used a tamper for compressing road base gravel; it had a little 44 or 5hp pull start air cool diesel on it. Have seen them advertised in Northern catalogs too...
 
   / Diesel HP vs Gasoline HP #70  
exactly. you only need to run a diesel at about 1700 RPM's for peak HP. A gas engine needs to run wide open, or pretty close...
 

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