NIXON
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Are there any advantages,or pitfalls to using a blended oil ?
John
John
Dino/Synthetic blend ??
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Well, for what you get, its high priced. They tell me, its less than 10% synthetic oil. So you would probably be better off to mix your own if you want a blend. But it wouldn't hurt anything, its just you won't get a lot of benefit for the price. You won't be much better off than you would with regular oil.
Docsknotinn
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Now Dick I was going to Dissagree with you just because I think thats what I'm supposed to do /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif But in point of fact I agree. The blended oils dont seem like a very good value to me. Dave
neilw
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Synblends are a very mixed bag. the oil companies don't have to tell you what % synthetic they have or even what type synthetic. Group III, IV or V.
You can compare a companies conventional, synblend and full synthetic oils of the same weight. The data to look at is Viscosity Index, HTHS and cold cranking numbers. Look at the conventional and the full synthetic number and see where the syn blend falls.
I've done the research and most synblends fall much closer to the conventional than the full synthetic.
One company I know of tries making their synblend perform within 90% of full synthetic. This is Schaeffer's Oil. This oil does rival full synthetics in wear analysis. Schaeffer's uses 25 to 30% synthetic in their blends.
Schaeffer's is not an easy product to find but worth the trouble.
You can compare a companies conventional, synblend and full synthetic oils of the same weight. The data to look at is Viscosity Index, HTHS and cold cranking numbers. Look at the conventional and the full synthetic number and see where the syn blend falls.
I've done the research and most synblends fall much closer to the conventional than the full synthetic.
One company I know of tries making their synblend perform within 90% of full synthetic. This is Schaeffer's Oil. This oil does rival full synthetics in wear analysis. Schaeffer's uses 25 to 30% synthetic in their blends.
Schaeffer's is not an easy product to find but worth the trouble.
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NIXON
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Thanks for the responses and education ! I believe I'll stay with Mobil one in my gas powered stuff ,as well as my 3130 .
Don't know what I'm going to use in my Power Stroke ,as I've been letting the dealer change it the last 3 times . Dino, I expect as 4gallons of Syn + filter every 3-4 K miles will add up to a bit over the long haul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif John
Don't know what I'm going to use in my Power Stroke ,as I've been letting the dealer change it the last 3 times . Dino, I expect as 4gallons of Syn + filter every 3-4 K miles will add up to a bit over the long haul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif John
conventional oil can be called synthetic. Synthetic is a catch all meaning : any oil that exhibits an improved traits vs a conventional oil.
Pretty general. All oils anymore are good the highly refined products for $1 rival that of $4 products in most general engine enviroments. Maybe not in a 300K dollar red sports care but in any mild application no practical improvements can realy be noted or studied.
Pretty general. All oils anymore are good the highly refined products for $1 rival that of $4 products in most general engine enviroments. Maybe not in a 300K dollar red sports care but in any mild application no practical improvements can realy be noted or studied.
Cerberus----I ran Amsoil 15w-40 in my Powerstroke for over 80,000 miles and the oil testes were nothing short of great! It was worth every penny for the (1) year drains and the Ford Main diesel repair guy liked it some much he recomened it to people that had a PowerChoke! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Mine took 16 qt with the filter. Filling the thing was a pain since the funnel was huge and the opening was so small..
No issues with foaming, injectors etc. Runs great (see below).
Wish I still had it, but I had to sell it to get a car for my rottweiler. She could not jump up into it (way to high). So I have a lexus now.
The place were I got my Lexus the service guy noticed it and said he wanted it BEFORE I traded it in. I still have contact with him and he loves it.
Also use the Amsoil 15w-40 in my BX22. There oil is wonderfull. If there was a better oil out there for the price and 100% synthetic I would use it. I use Amsoil because of this but I hate the business practice.
No issues with foaming, injectors etc. Runs great (see below).
Wish I still had it, but I had to sell it to get a car for my rottweiler. She could not jump up into it (way to high). So I have a lexus now.
The place were I got my Lexus the service guy noticed it and said he wanted it BEFORE I traded it in. I still have contact with him and he loves it.
Also use the Amsoil 15w-40 in my BX22. There oil is wonderfull. If there was a better oil out there for the price and 100% synthetic I would use it. I use Amsoil because of this but I hate the business practice.
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NIXON
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GSXR,
I'm a fanatic about changing oil at 3-4 k miles . I'm sure that I could extend the intervals using Amsoill,or red line . But,at the cost of diesel engines, I'm not going to push my luck /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I did run Klotz in my ZX11 ,and it performed very well . But then it didn't hold 4 gallons of oil /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif John
BTW.. Did you ever find a set of lights for your tractor ?
I'm a fanatic about changing oil at 3-4 k miles . I'm sure that I could extend the intervals using Amsoill,or red line . But,at the cost of diesel engines, I'm not going to push my luck /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I did run Klotz in my ZX11 ,and it performed very well . But then it didn't hold 4 gallons of oil /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif John
BTW.. Did you ever find a set of lights for your tractor ?
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Just buy 100% and not some below standard oil with some 10% synthetic base. )</font>
Do youy have any proof to back up your blanket claim that any synthetic blend is using a below standard base mix?
I find it hard to believe an oil company would actually produce a second grade oil, just to mix it up to spec.
It is widly known fact that hi production manufacturing plants rarely produce different grades of goods, even if the goods are re-branded and sold under another name. Look at brass... remington and UMC roll out of the same plant. I'v examaned both casings and find noting more than headstamp differences, with same life expectancy and failure rate in re-loading.
Same with computers.. early on in 486 production, there actually were seperate lines for different speeds, and the sx / dx production. Later to streamline and cut costs, all 486 chips were produced with the math co-processor, and were dx, but were then factory disabled to make it an sx chip. Same with speeds. Processors are batch produced. Failure rate percentages dictates which speed classifications were used when prodicing chips out of specific die sized silicon. Obviously different die size lots produced different speed ranges, etc.
Equally, I find it unrealistic that an oil company would run a secondary refinery operation.. and turn out a 'cheap' oil, just to blend it... Mass production yeilds a less expensive product.. the less tooling you have to keep up with, the lower the overhead costs...otherwise it would be counter-productive to profit.. which is after all, the universal driving factor behind most business entities.
Again, as I have no data this is only my opinion. But in this litigous country, I don't think an oil company woul expose itself to such great consumer liability with a substandard oil product. I would think natural attrition would control their market shaer.. i.e. if brand 'X' yeilded an obviously higher failure rate on engines.. then it's sales would decrease, and it's market share fall, untill it changed practices, or went belly-up.
Soundguy
Do youy have any proof to back up your blanket claim that any synthetic blend is using a below standard base mix?
I find it hard to believe an oil company would actually produce a second grade oil, just to mix it up to spec.
It is widly known fact that hi production manufacturing plants rarely produce different grades of goods, even if the goods are re-branded and sold under another name. Look at brass... remington and UMC roll out of the same plant. I'v examaned both casings and find noting more than headstamp differences, with same life expectancy and failure rate in re-loading.
Same with computers.. early on in 486 production, there actually were seperate lines for different speeds, and the sx / dx production. Later to streamline and cut costs, all 486 chips were produced with the math co-processor, and were dx, but were then factory disabled to make it an sx chip. Same with speeds. Processors are batch produced. Failure rate percentages dictates which speed classifications were used when prodicing chips out of specific die sized silicon. Obviously different die size lots produced different speed ranges, etc.
Equally, I find it unrealistic that an oil company would run a secondary refinery operation.. and turn out a 'cheap' oil, just to blend it... Mass production yeilds a less expensive product.. the less tooling you have to keep up with, the lower the overhead costs...otherwise it would be counter-productive to profit.. which is after all, the universal driving factor behind most business entities.
Again, as I have no data this is only my opinion. But in this litigous country, I don't think an oil company woul expose itself to such great consumer liability with a substandard oil product. I would think natural attrition would control their market shaer.. i.e. if brand 'X' yeilded an obviously higher failure rate on engines.. then it's sales would decrease, and it's market share fall, untill it changed practices, or went belly-up.
Soundguy
