Disk axle bearings

   / Disk axle bearings #11  
If his are sealed bearings.. "pumping till grease comes out" will mean his seal is out.. and then he will need you to stop buy and replace it for him.

On bushings.. you can pump till grease comes out.. sealed bearings are a different animal...

Soundguy
 
   / Disk axle bearings #12  
Pump away!!!!!!!!!! I broke down an bought a new disk last year and salesman advised I get at least 2 tubs to start with. Later a older man who owns a new/used tractor dealership advised me to pump till you see grease slip out then about every 2 hours use do it again. Grease is cheap berings aint.
 
   / Disk axle bearings #13  
ONLY if it is a grey iron bearing... if it is a sealed unit.. you will have problems!!!

Soundguy
 
   / Disk axle bearings #14  
Related questions: I have a used disk and a couple of zerks are snapped off, missing, or stuck solid. These zerks seem to be pressed in, not threaded. Is this common? Where do I find replacements?
 
   / Disk axle bearings #15  
California said:
Related questions: I have a used disk and a couple of zerks are snapped off, missing, or stuck solid. These zerks seem to be pressed in, not threaded. Is this common? Where do I find replacements?

Most hardware stores will carry replacements.
If the steel is mild steel then you can go with the threaded zerks and just thread them in...they are tapered.
 
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Soundguy said:
I wide 'carrier' on the axle.. about the size of a 6" hogie roll.. with the axle protruding from either side is most likely a grey iron bearing.

A small bearing carrier with arubber seal facing out is a sealed bearing.. probably the size of a donut.. or a tad smaller..

Soundguy

You called it right on! Many of the new discs Ive looked at must be the sealed bearing type. The "hanger" ( from the frame down) hold one little bearing...one on each end of the axle. This set has a MUCH larger bearing on each end..but also has that "hoagie roll" running between them...kinda gives an appearance of one giant bearing sleeve from end to end..even though I know the bearings are just at each end.. A double set of bearings at the ourboard end...a double set of bearings at each inboard end..and the "hoagie roll" in between.
 
   / Disk axle bearings #17  
Sealed bearings don't have zerks. You have grease able bearing with seals that are designed to let grease out if overfilled. The seals need a little grease to lube where they slide on the shaft. The first time they could take a lot after that 2 to 3 pumps a day should be fine.
 
   / Disk axle bearings #18  
I've never seen a disc with "sealed bearings" that were truely sealed. EVen with roller bearings, they generally aren't totally sealed. They are "vented if you will, to allow grease to push out dirt and moisture when you grease them. Dirt WILL enter the bearings if you don't grease often. All the disc manuals I've read will tell you to grease until you see it coming from bearing area. Deere offered some models of disc's with "triple-lip" seals at one point. (I'm sure other brands did also, but I'm familiar with those models of Deere products) Not sure what they sell now. Even those would let excess grease out after only a few hours in the field. Seals on disc bearing are intended to keep dirt out, but are generally "one way seals" that allow some grease to bleed out when in use.

"Boxings", or those grey iron bearings need to be flushed with grease often too. That excess of grease is what protects them from dirt entering the bearing.

For occasional use, a disc won't wear a seal OR bearing very fast. Under hard use, say in a full-time AG use, they wear rather quickly. One day in the dirt, and they aren't new anymore. Flush with grease. Shoot it in the bearings 'till you see it. Just use good judgement on when "enough is enough". On my current disc, an International Harvester model #350 (10') wheel disc, with roller bearings, I use 1 to 1-1/2 tubes per greasing. The excess around the bearings do attract and hold some dirt. The excess of grease also PROTECTS the seals from the dirt actually making contact with them. As was already mentioned, excess grease forced past the bearing area is what "purges" any dirt from the bearing.

Following that maint. program, my old IH #350 disc worked around 80 to 100 acres of crop land for over 20 years. Most of that ground required multiple discing's to get ready for planting. The original bearings went approx. 18 years. Set #2 is still OK.
 
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Farmwithjunk said:
I've never seen a disc with "sealed bearings" that were truely sealed. EVen with roller bearings, they generally aren't totally sealed. They are "vented if you will, to allow grease to push out dirt and moisture when you grease them. Dirt WILL enter the bearings if you don't grease often. All the disc manuals I've read will tell you to grease until you see it coming from bearing area. Deere offered some models of disc's with "triple-lip" seals at one point. (I'm sure other brands did also, but I'm familiar with those models of Deere products) Not sure what they sell now. Even those would let excess grease out after only a few hours in the field. Seals on disc bearing are intended to keep dirt out, but are generally "one way seals" that allow some grease to bleed out when in use.
"Boxings", or those grey iron bearings need to be flushed with grease often too. That excess of grease is what protects them from dirt entering the bearing.
For occasional use, a disc won't wear a seal OR bearing very fast. Under hard use, say in a full-time AG use, they wear rather quickly. One day in the dirt, and they aren't new anymore. Flush with grease. Shoot it in the bearings 'till you see it. Just use good judgement on when "enough is enough". On my current disc, an International Harvester model #350 (10') wheel disc, with roller bearings, I use 1 to 1-1/2 tubes per greasing. The excess around the bearings do attract and hold some dirt. The excess of grease also PROTECTS the seals from the dirt actually making contact with them. As was already mentioned, excess grease forced past the bearing area is what "purges" any dirt from the bearing.
Following that maint. program, my old IH #350 disc worked around 80 to 100 acres of crop land for over 20 years. Most of that ground required multiple discing's to get ready for planting. The original bearings went approx. 18 years. Set #2 is still OK.

WOW!! You guys sure have clued me in!! I have to go to TSC today anyway and pick up a drawbar. ( I bought one of those EZ hitches and need a drawbar for it) ..so I'll buy more tubes of grease. I'll have biceps like Gov "Arnie" by the time Im done pumping the grease gun handle...lol
I think this set of discs are like most used smaller impliments Ive seen...not well maintained!! But..I think the saving grace for this set was that it wasnt used much..and just sat around because he had a slightly larger set....and he only used any of the stuff for a 1/3 acre garden.
One thing I DID DO was once I had it attached and up in the air...I slowly rotated each set of discs..and listened and "felt" for any resistance while spinning the discs on their axles...couldnt hear or feel anything that sounded or felt like it was "non lubed". They all spun pretty darned easy..and that was LONG before I installed new zerks and pumped the grease to it yesterday. I'll at least store it up off the ground and solidly tarped over once I get it back into fine shape. 99.9% of this sets problems are purely cosmetic..but that will be remedied in october when we strip it and wire brush and sand blast the framework and prime and repaint it.

Much thanks gentlemen!!
 
   / Disk axle bearings #20  
If you have to replace a bearing make sure its a triple seal. A single seal is cheaper but won't last being by dirt. All new disk have at least triple seals and some have a five seal bearing. A bearing will last until the seal goes out and let dirt in.
 
 

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