Distance between vehicles at a red light

   / Distance between vehicles at a red light #21  
Not sure about the tires but you should be able to see the bumper just the same as you should be able to see the wide white line if there is one and you are in the front of the line at a light.

I was taught in the driver safety course that got me a significant insurance discount, and would've taken points off my license (if I had had any), that you want to be far enough away to not just see the tires or bumper, but to see where the tires touch the road surface.
 
   / Distance between vehicles at a red light #22  
One of the first things I learned as a rookie cop was to ALWAYS stop far enough back to see where the rear tires on the car in front of you meet the road. I still do that, and when I taught my grandson to drive, that's one of the things I taught him. IF for some reason the vehicle in front of you doesn't go on, you have room to turn to go around him without backing up. And IF you should get rear ended, it's certainly preferable to not also tear up the front end of your vehicle by hitting the one in front of you.

Admittedly, I sometimes have some idiot try to cut in between me and the car in front of me. But that's better than the alternative. And besides, how much time does that actually cost me? Might get where I'm going a few seconds later.:laughing:
 
   / Distance between vehicles at a red light #23  
My first year in grad school I had a class in nonlinear wave propagation, which happens to be used to model traffic flow. It significantly influenced my thinking in congested traffic, when merging lanes, etc.

One thing we learned was that traffic flows smoother and will be able to pull away from a red light faster if there is space between cars. I forget the optimum number, but it was about 8-10' or so, which might be enough to see the rear tires or back bumper.

Anyhow, the idea is that when the light turns red, if there is sufficient space between the cars, they can all begin accelerating and moving together. When cars are bunched up, they start moving one at a time, front to back, as if a "wave" rolls back through the lane.

Years later I bumped into a VDOT engineer at a picnic, and we got talking about that, and his eyes lit up. He had no background in the theory, but he knew the practical side of traffic studies and planning, and he said it was exactly true. Worst thing cars can do is bunch up at a light. Any increase in the density of cars in the lane is offset and then some by the fact that the cars begin accelerating one at a time, from a standstill. So if you're the tenth car back, for example, you have to wait for 1 to move, then 2 to react and move, then 3, then 4, etc... until car 9 moves, and then you react and move. That's a bunch of delays. With good spacing between cars, you can all start rolling more or less at the same time, and more cars will make it through the light.

This is pretty easy to test in practice, though getting a whole line of cars to try it is probably impossible. But if you're ever #2 in line at a red light, keep about 8-10' of space, and when the light turns red, you can begin moving at the exact same time/speed/acceleration as car #1.

Ding, ding, ding. The winner.
 
   / Distance between vehicles at a red light #24  
Red means go where you are ?? :eek: :D
On another closely related subject - they have started to put in red arrows for left turn around here. Green arrows always indicated go - a red light should be solid and not an arrow. when I see an arrow my reaction is to start moving. (it does not help that I an partial red/green colorblind)


My first year in grad school I had a class in nonlinear wave propagation, which happens to be used to model traffic flow. It significantly influenced my thinking in congested traffic, when merging lanes, etc.

One thing we learned was that traffic flows smoother and will be able to pull away from a red light faster if there is space between cars. I forget the optimum number, but it was about 8-10' or so, which might be enough to see the rear tires or back bumper.

Anyhow, the idea is that when the light turns red, if there is sufficient space between the cars, they can all begin accelerating and moving together. When cars are bunched up, they start moving one at a time, front to back, as if a "wave" rolls back through the lane.

Years later I bumped into a VDOT engineer at a picnic, and we got talking about that, and his eyes lit up. He had no background in the theory, but he knew the practical side of traffic studies and planning, and he said it was exactly true. Worst thing cars can do is bunch up at a light. Any increase in the density of cars in the lane is offset and then some by the fact that the cars begin accelerating one at a time, from a standstill. So if you're the tenth car back, for example, you have to wait for 1 to move, then 2 to react and move, then 3, then 4, etc... until car 9 moves, and then you react and move. That's a bunch of delays. With good spacing between cars, you can all start rolling more or less at the same time, and more cars will make it through the light.

This is pretty easy to test in practice, though getting a whole line of cars to try it is probably impossible. But if you're ever #2 in line at a red light, keep about 8-10' of space, and when the light turns red, you can begin moving at the exact same time/speed/acceleration as car #1.
 
   / Distance between vehicles at a red light #25  
I ALWAYS stop at least one car length behind anything. In todays society you never know what's going to happen and I will always be able to pull out of line and "get away".

I REALLY don't give a sh*t if it irritates the person behind me or anybody for that matter. When I'm on the road its my safety that is my major concern.
 
   / Distance between vehicles at a red light #26  
You got into a heated discussion over this?!?!? When you say coworker do you really mean wife?
 
   / Distance between vehicles at a red light #27  
If a stranger was trying to determine the driving rules by watching traffic:

You stay really close to the car in front so you can make a right on red or move through the stop sign with the car in front, without having to stop again. :eek:

Bruce
 
   / Distance between vehicles at a red light #28  
Red means go where you are ?? :eek: :D
On another closely related subject - they have started to put in red arrows for left turn around here. Green arrows always indicated go - a red light should be solid and not an arrow. when I see an arrow my reaction is to start moving. (it does not help that I an partial red/green colorblind)

Around here we are getting rid of red arrows, solid red only.
I have never heard to be able to see the stop bar( wide white line) when stopping at traffic light. At some intersections there is a sign "stop here on red" pointing to the stop bar
 
   / Distance between vehicles at a red light #29  
I was taught back in the early 60's to leave enough room so you can veer around the next vehicle if necessary. Course, we were also taught to use turn signals [ or hand signals ]... dim your bright lights if you can see tail lights in the distance, etc... That's one of the main reasons I have never went in for a concealed pistol permit.... seen too many folks drive up withing 20' of my rear bumper then dim their lights... [[[ :) ]]]
 
   / Distance between vehicles at a red light #30  
And you know this, how?

Although competition is tight, the worst drivers in Boston are NH commuters. They can't leave an extra half car length because it would add 0.5 seconds to their 80 minute commute. They're nuts.

I think they don't leave a larger gap between vehicles because if they did another car would cut into that space.
I also agree with Mace's post
 

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