DIY versus hiring it out

   / DIY versus hiring it out #11  
Nice work. Thanks for the effort.
I'm sure your analysis is valid for someone who owns a tractor for a single purpose. For others, the "utility" is actually that. Even if I discount the actual money making tasks (plowing, planting, haying etc), my tractors still pay for themselves many times over with the endless pulling, pushing, hauling jobs to be done.
Also, I suspect things must be different elsewhere, but getting anyone to do anything around here is literally impossible.



Amen Brother


Also hiring out for snow removal can cost the home owner thousands. One example, last winter a friend got his tractor snowed in his barn as we had an unusual amount of snow. After a week or so he finally found someone close by with a Bull Dozier to clear his drive and get his tractor out. When the snow melted to he and his wife's surprise. They had a New Road, the fella had got off track.
Another incident someone came to ditch a road, took all of the dirt from the ditch and put it on the road looked like a fantastic job until it rained. The cost to re-gravel was right under $1000 and counting.These two examples are small in comparison to some Horror stories.
 
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   / DIY versus hiring it out
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#12  
I tried to stress in my original post that my example was hypothetical and that you should use your own data to evaluate your own situation -- I didn't want to just pull the data out of thin air. My objective was to illustrate a simple way to compute the "break-even" acreage for a single task.

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I'm sure your analysis is valid for someone who owns a tractor for a single purpose. For others, the "utility" is actually that. Even if I discount the actual money making tasks (plowing, planting, haying etc), my tractors still pay for themselves many times over with the endless pulling, pushing, hauling jobs to be done.

As you say, the proper procedure would be to compute the net present value (NPV) of the tractor/equipment investment. I would be happy to discuss the niceties of such an analysis were it not for the liability issues involved. I fear that readers would fall asleep and crash their foreheads into their keyboards. :)

Steve
 
   / DIY versus hiring it out #13  
For me, break even with current cost for a Bobcat CT235 with front mount snow plower versus hiring someone to plow my drive is about 16.3 years. That's without adding costs for annual regrading of the drive (back blade), fixing the ditches and prying out and moving rocks (backhoe), field & brush cutting (rotary or flail mower), and hauling firewood and lawn and garden material (FEL). Honey, wouldn't you rather spend the money now and save enough to buy a new car in a few years?

The problem with hiring is that there is a base cost involved with their just transporting their equipment to your place. Sure, it may only cost you $20 per hour to hog a feild, but more often than not, they have a base fee just to get there. The more often you use them, the more those transport costs add up.
 
   / DIY versus hiring it out #14  
Very interesting thread. For us, it is a mix. We rent/barter back hoe, skid steer or dozer. Our tractors are a mix of economics, convenience and pleasure.
 
   / DIY versus hiring it out #15  
Pleasure. Now there's an interesting thought.

Need to factor in the entertainment value of the tractor.

And you know, I'll bet there are mental health benefits too. Substitute the cost of a therapy session? The does assume that owning and operating your tractor contributes to your peice of mind; and doesn't raise your blood pressure due to breakdowns or mechanical inadequacies.
 
   / DIY versus hiring it out #16  
If you are using your own time, you ought to value that time by the income you are giving up by bush hogging.

Now this is an interesting statement. Given that many of us may find ways of spending money rather than making money??:thumbsup:
 
   / DIY versus hiring it out #17  
I have a good example of why it is worth buying equipment - can't comment on running a farm, but with the construction industry, you're ALWAYS better off doing it yourself:

I spent this summer working the grounds on a property I recently bought. The grounds around the house and barn were cleared of trees, but had little else done, and that was 25 years ago. The soil is basically bank-run gravel, so not much grows. Existing grades needed to be redone for drainage, and cover was natural brush. The driveways (1100 ft. total + ~5000 sq. ft of parking areas) were made from natural existing material and were in bad shape - improperly crowned, rutted and rocky.

I graded the grounds and driveways using my tractor. I dug out hundreds/thousands of rocks with my FEL and backhoe. I brought in 360 yards of nitpack gravel for the driveways, and 235 yards of organic loam (poo) and spread and raked the products then seeded the loam, creating a little over 1/2 acre of grasses areas and about 1/2 acre of driveway surface. I also reluctantly did a jet-pump to submersible conversion on my well in the middle of the whole thing, which required digging a 100' trench for a new water line and power, re-plumbing the interior, etc.

I got a price from a driveway company to do the road work that I did - $15k + materials. The landscaping work would've been easily double that. I would guess that the well work would've been somewhere in the $3-4k range. Sure, it cost me 2 months of time, but I enjoy doing all of that stuff and I need the exercise. I spent about $10k on materials and supplies, put over 200 hours on my tractor's meter, lost 25 pounds, but knocked out a solid $50k in work, and likely increased the value of my property twice that. Also, if I hired the work out, everything would've ended up so screwed up, I would've had to do it all over anyway, since the vast majority of professional contractors are completely incompetent. I paid $15k for my TLB 5 years ago, so it paid for itself 3 times over this summer alone.

As far as a maintenance story; I recently bought a used 6' 3pt snowblower for the same property. I paid $1350 for it, but got a grading blade thrown in for free, so let's say it was $1000-1100. I'm going to spend $300-400 more to get the hydraulics working, so call it $1500 to make the math easy. I don't know what it would cost me to plow/blow 1100 of drive, but it HAS to be at least $100. We usually get about 8-10 storms a year worth clearing, so payoff on the blower system is 1.5-2 years.

JayC
 
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I have a good example of why it is worth buying equipment - can't comment on running a farm, but with the construction industry, you're ALWAYS better off doing it yourself:
JayC

Jay,

Not to be argumentative, but I disagree. If what you say is universally true, there would be no sub-contractors, only GCs.

Steve
 
   / DIY versus hiring it out #19  
Jay,

Not to be argumentative, but I disagree. If what you say is universally true, there would be no sub-contractors, only GCs.

The construction industry exists in it's present form for two reasons: most people can't do it themselves, and many/most people have become accustomed to and accept sub-standard work.

I'm a little bit jaded (can you tell?) - my experience with hiring contractors is that if you do, you'll pay them like they were surgeons, and they'll screw up the job so bad that you won't even be able to use what you paid for. I'm 0 for 6 with contractors - and currently in dispute with one for screwing up a rubber roof installation on some rental property I own. How retarded do you have to be to screw up contact cement? It's baffling to me.

I built an addition on my house in the late-90's, adding 3 BRs, a bath, and an oversized garage. I did it all myself - every nail and screw. The only thing I didn't do was the concrete work. Of course, the garage floor ended up screwed up so bad I can't park a car in there - still a good place for my fleet of dirtbikes though. Other than the floor fiasco, it came out great, with solid engineering and construction, workmanship and features that you can't even buy - I'm convinced that it could survive a tornado. It cost me no more than $25-30k to build - rough estimate was $100k through a GC. Also, since I built it myself and along with improvements I made to the existing house, it's actually insulated correctly, unlike ALL new construction. I heat my 2600 sq. ft. house at 72-74 degrees using 450 gallons of oil for the entire heating season. Everyone I know with similar size houses burns at least twice that amount. Pshaw.

JayC
 
   / DIY versus hiring it out #20  
Steve, nice analysis, but we will rationalize our tractors no matter how much math you throw at us. :D

It is kind of like trying to calculate the value of a wife or girlfriend. Better left alone. :laughing:
 

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