Do increased property taxes cramp YOUR style?

   / Do increased property taxes cramp YOUR style? #11  
TCowner,

I love your post. It was well said. You talk of the automatic raises. Your from my area, you know of the big talk in Omsted County and the automatic raises for the Commisioners. Now maybe it has been a long time for them to get a raise, and maybe other commisioners make more than they do, but they will make more money for a part time job than most will on their full time job.

These people are suppose to work for us not us for them. The fight over in Austin or Albert Lea over the city hall, where the commissioner said, "since when is it right for a few imbosoles to question the work of an elected official" That comment to me was very sad. I don't think I spelled imbosole right, but you get what I am saying.

murph, in rochester, mn
 
   / Do increased property taxes cramp YOUR style? #12  
WELL SAID. I couldn't agree more.
 
   / Do increased property taxes cramp YOUR style? #13  
This is a question to all here---could it be a problem that too many non-property owners get to vote on tax issues? I.E. it doesn't cost them any thing so why not vote for the pork. Maybe the founding fathers knew something... in order to vote-you had to be a land owner.
Yeah-I think property taxes have gone berzerk!!
 
   / Do increased property taxes cramp YOUR style? #14  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( could it be a problem that too many non-property owners get to vote on tax issues? I.E. it doesn't cost them any thing )</font>

If that's the case, they're really not too bright, 'cause if they ain't property owners, I assume they're renters, and if anyone thinks rent doesn't go up when property taxes go up . . . /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
 
   / Do increased property taxes cramp YOUR style? #15  
Indiana just completed it's reassessment of property values (done once every ten years) so I'm waiting to see what kind of a hit I'm going to take this year. The rate increased ever so slightly from last year but the value on which it is applied to determine the tax bill will likely increase substantially. I want to build there but, as you indicated, it'll only increase my tax bill even further.

I may as well do it though as the alternative is to just let the property sit unused. It's a classic catch-22 situation. I don't have the answers but sure wish I did.
 
   / Do increased property taxes cramp YOUR style? #16  
Unfortunately, it appears as though the "smaller government" party has deserted us, based on the spending bill they're just putting through.
I have to say that I am VERY concerned about the local tax base and completely disagree with our friend Rancar. Most of the services being provided by the county that taxes me so heavily were NEVER voted by myself or my wife and many are for services that I neither need nor want. Road maintenance? Yeah, I think that's important ... but I get to pay and my road isn't maintained (it's ignored). New library building? Come on, folks ... we need to spend 15 Mil for new building because the old ones were "old"? We need to close schools and build new ones because the roof leaks (where did they use the maintenance money in the past 50 years? - oh yeah - teachers raises)? Let's see, there's a millage for "Seniors Services" ... which (I just found out) goes to pay for the "Meals on Wheels" program. (Now, I have nothing against Seniors ... but I'm sure having a problem coughing up all these different taxes for a specified group). I believe that more/most/all of these services should be "user pay" ... and then we'd see how many people really value the services. (Our tax bill has twice as much money for the library as for roads ... and I have more books in my personal library than they do (well, almost)).
If municipalities, counties, parrish and whatever other local government taxing entities had to live by the same rules we do ... things would be much, much different. I get a raise if my boss (company, corp, whatever) can afford it and he figures I earned it (i.e. I'm working harder/smarter/longer than he and I had agreed upon). If I don't like not getting a raise, I can change jobs or work harder/longer/smarter. If I don't like my taxes ... I can ??? move ???.
My assessment went up again this year. I did no improvements to my place or property. Housing prices have tanked because of the economy in mid-Michigan ... which means my place is LESS valuable this year than last ... but my assesment - and therefore my taxes - went up.
Yeah, you could say it cramps my style, alright!
And what cramps my style even worse is that it's taxation without representation. I pay the same tax rates as everyone else here ... but I cannot vote as I am "only" a green card holder ... another year until I can apply for citizenship ....
What can we dump into Boston Harbor to protest this (besides Teddy?) /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
   / Do increased property taxes cramp YOUR style? #17  
Wingnut,

I have had the opportunity to do some traveling. After seeing how some of these people live, I firmly believe in some taxes. But your absolutely right, our tax dollars are totally being abused and used on things that well, I guess we will never know. Your right, new city halls, new schools, new jails, instead of repairing. For some reason if they don't have a "NEW" building it is costing them lots of money to function. Well tough I say, I own a business and I don't go out and get a new building just because it is tough to operate, you live with it. Instead of spending money on new buildings, why don't they fix the ones they have and pay the teachers or buy the books for the kids. They have spent way over their budgets for the buildings and now no money for operation. The money that is suppose to go for repairing or maintenance of roads is going where I would like to know? They just keep spending and spending and don't care about who they are hurting. And yes as far as Ted, that was good.

Murph
 
   / Do increased property taxes cramp YOUR style? #18  
I am having to sell my house because the taxes and insurance have gone so high that I can no longer afford to stay here. Now because the economy is bad, the state is going to eliminate the agricultural exemption on my land and I will loose it too. Of course the people who can afford to pay taxes will get income tax cuts so they won't be affected by the property tax increases. This is not what I expected from retirement. If I can find a way to keep my land I will have to live in manufactured housing so the property taxes don't force me out there too. My wife wants me to build a house but the taxes would force us out of it too soon. I now have to worry about the company I worked for deciding to drop its pension plan. They like to follow industry trends and that is the current trend. In Texas the governor said they will not increase taxes to solve the budget shortfall but what he did not say is that they will look for ways to add more things to the current tax rolls and that they will increase fees for such things as auto inspections and licenses. That is the way they find a way around increasing taxes and still say they didn't.
 
   / Do increased property taxes cramp YOUR style? #19  
henro - short answer is YES!! 2 years and I retire from my 1st career in NY and am moving south for three reasons - economic climate, weather, and lower taxes/cost of living. I think our founding fathers would plotz if they knew what we pay in obvious and hidden taxes. I pay income tax when I make the money, I pay sales tax when I spend it, I pay more income tax when I invest it and get interest. I pay taxes on my phone bills I can't even figure out, I pay school tax and have no kids, I pay real estate tax and have no water and no sewer. My school/property tax is $7000/year. Makes me feel great when I go to the local high school and see brand new $40K toro groundskeepers tractors, sodded play fields with sprinkler systems and Johnny still can't read. I'm not against taxes because obviously we need to pay for infrastructure but I don't like all the hidden taxes that allow government to increase taxes without the general public even knowing about it. I'm more inclined to go for a value added tax, NO exemptions, everyone pays a fixed percentage. When times are good there's more money made in taxes and the government can spend more. When times are lean, less money, and, heres a radical thought - the government should spend less!!!! I'm about ready to dump some tea in Boston Harbor!!!!!!!!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
   / Do increased property taxes cramp YOUR style? #20  
Centex,

I own a business. Times are tough for everyone. My company is use to getting 15 houses a week for construction. I employ 80 people and today if I get 2 houses a week I am lucky. I have had to lay people off, I have had to make cuts and I even have had to sell things to make ends meet. And you know what, the government isn't helping me out at all. They never have I don't expect they never will. Now farmers have had help for many years. And I come to accept the fact that they need it. I don't have a problem with it. But I do get frustrated when people say "the rich get all of the tax breaks", well yeah, they pay the most also. I am not one of the rich, my wages are not that great, but if you keep taking away from the rich, the rich are going to go away, and then who is going to pay the taxes. I look at it this way, it is the rich that buy things like houses, tractors, cars, and so on. When the rich buy it allows more people to work so they can afford things also.

I got the following e-mail sent to me the other day. It puts it in pretty easy terms to understand.


Subject: Tax Econ 101
>
> How Taxes Work....
>
> This is a VERY simple way to understand the tax laws. Read on, it does make you
> think!!
>
> Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten
> men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their
> bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
> The first four men, the poorest, would pay nothing; the fifth would pay $1, the
> sixth would pay $3, the seventh $7, the eighth $12, the ninth $18, and the tenth
> man, the richest, would pay $59.
>
> That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day
> and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until one day, the owner threw them a
> curve (in tax language a tax cut).
>
> "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of
> your daily meal by $20." So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.00.
>
> The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first
> four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the
> other six, the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that
> everyone would get his "fair share?"
>
> The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted
> that from everybody's share, Then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up
> being PAID to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be
> fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to
> work out the amounts each should pay.
>
> And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5,
> the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52
> instead of his earlier $59. Each of the six was better off than before. And the
> first four continued to eat for free.
>
> But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only
> got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man who pointed to the tenth.
> "But he got $7!". "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man, "I only saved a
> dollar, too. It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!". "That's true!"
> shouted the seventh man," why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The
> wealthy get all the breaks!". Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison,
> "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"
>
> The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night he didn't show
> up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to>
> pay the bill, they discovered, a little late what was very important. They were
> fifty two dollars short of paying the bill! Imagine that!
>
> And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax
> system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a
> tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just
> may not show up at the table anymore.
>
> Where would that leave the rest? Unfortunately, most taxing authorities anywhere
> cannot seem to grasp this rather straightforward logic!
>
> T. Davies
> Professor of Accounting & Chair,
> Division of Accounting and Business Law
> The University of South Dakota School of Business


Again, I am not here to cause problems. I am not complaining about paying more taxes than others, I am only stating when there is a reduction only take back based on what you put in.


Murph
>
 

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