Do You Post Your Property?

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K7147

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When we first moved to this area of northern Vermont almost none of the land was posted. Now, almost everything is posted and the trend continues. I’d hunted extensively into my thirties and finally quit after being “rained on” by bird shot on two occasions and had an elderly gentleman draw a bead on me with a 30-30 from a distance of fifty feet. I later determined that older fellow’s eyesight was such that at fifty feet he probably couldn’t tell the difference between a crow and an elephant! Nonetheless, upon moving here we did not post our eighty acres in order to be a good neighbor. The majority of land immediately surrounding us ranges from 100-300 acre farms and one 2,000 acre preserve.

After a neighbor dug some slugs out of the door of an out building and a couple of hunters decided that blocking my driveway was just fine…I started to question my initial decision. I decided to post “hunting by permission only” signs. Of course, almost no one bothered to ask for permission! One local who did ask permission still hunts rabbits during the winter on my property to this day.

You might say I got concerned about the mentality of present day hunters after an incident in an adjoining town. The elderly property owner spends his time between crutches and a wheelchair and his greatest joy is tending to his varied flock of farmyard type companions. He took offense to poachers (out of season) using jacklights at night to slaughter doe deer (illegally) in the field next to modest home. He reported the incident to the authorities and they were caught in the act. Three nights later “someone” shot and killed every goose, chicken, and duck in his farmyard. They only wounded his dog!

You might say I got “really” concerned after an incident in a town some thirty miles distant. A sixty two year old farmer was sitting inside his tractor at dusk beside his own field. He had a rifle and was hoping for a deer to pass. A group of hunters were hunting some 200 yards distant on the other side of the field. One youthful member of that group decided to take a “pot-shot” at the tractor ……and he killed the farmer very dead!! The case is in trial now.

The final straw was when I attended a local town meeting and encountered a large group of homeowners that mostly included farmers. The subject was “land posting”. For over two hours I listened to “hunter” horror stories exchanged by these people. Many of those present were or are hunters themselves. Tales of family pets being shot, buildings and machinery riddled with bullets, hunter insults to property owner’s wives, and wanton destruction of non-game wildlife. Rampant poaching stories topped the list. From the stories provided by these land owners it was obvious they were not talking about the unusual or odd incident….they were talking about a pervasive present day “hunter” attitude. An attitude that was almost unheard of in prior generations.

Needless to say, literally thousands of acres locally are now posted and registered as posted land. Mine included! I still let that local fellow and his companions rabbit hunt on my property as he is a “real” hunter. He and his companions are “throwbacks”, if you will, to past generations with a higher set of societal values. Subsequent conversations with friends and family members in other parts of the country provide pretty much the same story concerning present day hunter mentality.

I hope the majority who read this are just that type of “throwback” who enhances the sport of hunting and are not destroying it’s future!!

Excuse me while I step off my soapbox….:rolleyes:

Ken
 
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I have a friend that lives up in the NEK. I've been up there a few times myself. From what I have seen and some of the people that I have encountered doesn't surprise me a bit from what you wrote. Those folks up there are nothing short of the Rednecks of other parts of this country. Post your property and be prepared to defend it against those creeps that stalk your place without permission. They are low life scum that have no respect for your property or anyone else's. My friend has also told me a few stories about the folks up there.
There use to be a snowmobile trail that went right across his hay field. The field was getting ruined because the snowmobilers would use it when the snow was almost non existant. He put up signs and moved the trail to a cart path along the outer edge of the field. Now all the locals are pissed at him for managing his own property. His friend, next door neighbor, won't even talk to him now because he moved the trail. Talk about idiotic people with small brains. Carry a gun and be safe.
 
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Ken,

One of the first things I did after buying our land was to post it. I keep it that way. One reason for buying a DR Mower was to help clear and maintain my property lines to ease the posting. I also paint the trees along the property line as well.

I chased off two "hunters" last January who where walking down the property line shooting tree rats on my land. Their daddy had just bought the land next to ours and we had been hearing some really big guns shooting real close for a couple of months. Quite a few times well after dark. When I saw them shooting, my kids had just gone inside the house and I had to been out working with the chainsaw. My first thought when I saw them was that they had been shooting towards the house(kids), me working in the woods or towards my neighbors. None of which put me in an understanding frame of mind. :mad::mad::mad:

I had a very serious discussion with them. They tried to weasel their way out of what they where doing but the only way they can walk over there was to be on my land. Their land has been clear cut and has about 10 years or growth. They HAVE to walk on my land. And the tree rat I saw them shoot was well on my land. There is no if ands or buts that they knew they where not on their land. Then they tried to tell me that NC does require land owner permission to hunt. And they are right. But my county does require written permission.

The irony was that the next day, Sunday I was going to go repost the land since it had been a two years since the last time I had done it. The signs last 2-3 year before the sun wears them out. But there where still enough signs to be legally posted.

In NC the best liability protection a land owner can do is to post the land.

I am very pro hunting but there are too many hunting accidents, too many idiots out there. NOBODY hunts my land but me and my dad. PERIOD. I trust no one else. As I told these guys we had already had a couple hunting accidents/deaths.

To their credit they have not been back. I know they thought the vacant land was owned by an absent owner and that this was just another subdivision. They could easily see the house. They knew what they where doing.

Some of the contracters on the house asked to own the land. Begged because they kept seeing an eight pointer. The anwer was a friendly but firm no.

Later,
Dan
 
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K7147 said:
One youthful member of that group decided to take a “pot-shot” at the tractor ……and he killed the farmer very dead!! The case is in trial now.

Ken,
I was up at my camp below St Jay this past weekend. In the local paper they reported that a mistrial was declared. The jury could not reach a verdict. The state has to decide if they want to retry.

Phil
 
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I have no tresspassing signs on my land, but that's more of a formality for strangers than anything else. My neighbors have much larger pieces of land than I do and we cross back and forth on each others land all the time. Most of it isn't fenced and we're very open with them.

I get allot a strangers that drive up my driveway and then when they see me, they either say they are looking for so and so that said he lived here or they lost there dog. It's always those two lies that I hear over and over again. Those people aren't hunters, but mostly just nosey neighbors looking to see what's going on. Sometimes I think they might be thieves looking to see what's out and what they can get. I write down license plate numbers, dates and discriptions. I've thought about taking pics too, but that might lead to bigger issues.

There is a big difference between a hunter and a poacher. Unfortunately, hunters get lumped into the same group and it makes the law abiding ones look bad. Poachers are the skum of the earth. They don't care about the wildlife, the land or anything else besides themselves. They have done nothign to improve the wildlife herds or the habitat. They are even worse than the anti-hunting activists!!! And that's saying something. hahaha

I get a few requests from people to hunt my land, and if they ask politely, I reply politely. It's always gonna be no, but I respect there desire to find a place to hunt and don't want to discourage them asking. Lots of rude land owners can sower a person from even asking permision and give up hunting all together. There are many places in this country where the deer populations are at levels that they NEED to be reduced. Here, the hog populations are way out of control. We need more people to kill hogs!!! We're doing our part on our land, and our one neighbor is doing a good job on his 240 acres, our other neihbors 560 acres is total jungle. He has a few hunters in there, but they don't have a chance to kill very many hogs in such thick, overgrown, vine infested jungle.

It's a shame to hear about the death of anybody, but it realy hurts to hear about it when a guy is just sitting on his land, enjoying life and then to die from some idiots stupidity. Truly a shame.

Eddie
 
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I just found a tree stand in one of my trees a hundred odd feet away from the house, so I should post. I don't mind people hunting my land - happy about it, as we have a deer problem, but I do want to be asked first.

And I'm worried about the liability...
 
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It's a shame to hear about the death of anybody, but it realy hurts to hear about it when a guy is just sitting on his land, enjoying life and then to die from some idiots stupidity. Truly a shame.

In the last year or two we have had hunting accidents that where just that accidents. But we have also had bullets going into churches and daycares. We just had a farmer who said he was shooting at hogs and not pointed at the road but he managed to hit a passenger in a passing truck. In my county a few years ago we had two men shot before dark walking to their stands. Well before legal hunting time. One man died and the other was darn close. The man who died was killed by a 17 year old who heard something move and just shot. There was no way he could see in the dark. I think he was hit with a manslaughter charge which is most likely the most serious crime he could be convicted. But it was murder. The kid messed up but his father really messed up. Both should be in prison. There is a dead man and it was not an accident as far as I'm concerned.

Back in the early 90s a women was shot a killed in her back yard during hunting season. She was out in the yard wearing white gloves and some $%^&* idiot shot her. Same story as above with the guy that pulled the trigger. Right about the time the lady was killed because she wore white gloves in her yard, in the same town which is under the runways to RDU, another twit put a roound in a airliner.

I like hunting. Our area is infested with deer that need to be reduced. Its dangerous for the next six months or so to be driving at dark. But there is a very large minority of "hunters" that give the hunting a bad name and are a threat to others.

Hunting on Sunday is banned in NC but there is a movement to allow it. I USED to think this was a good idea. But as a landowner I want one day a week when its not too dangerous to be walking my land.... I REALLY hate to say that....

Later,
Dan
 
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Here is a question. If you do not post your property and hunters then hunt it. Say one climbs a tree with his climbing tree stand and then falls out of it and gets hurt. Is the property owner liable in any way? What about the same situation if the property is posted?

I ask this because I recently came into a situation where a railroad built a line right across my property. One side of the tracks is the paved road and the other side has a stocked trout stream. I contacted a lawyer to discuss liability issues. I was told that if I didn't post my property and a fisherman was crossing the tracks to get to the stream and got hit by a train, a portion of the liability would fall on me as the land owner because I didn't take action to stop people from using my property as an access route across the tracks. Unbelievable that this is true. Our insurance company verified the information. It was reccommended to me to post the property and up liability insurance to protect my family.
 
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barticus73 said:
Here is a question. If you do not post your property and hunters then hunt it. Say one climbs a tree with his climbing tree stand and then falls out of it and gets hurt. Is the property owner liable in any way? What about the same situation if the property is posted?

I ask this because I recently came into a situation where a railroad built a line right across my property. One side of the tracks is the paved road and the other side has a stocked trout stream. I contacted a lawyer to discuss liability issues. I was told that if I didn't post my property and a fisherman was crossing the tracks to get to the stream and got hit by a train, a portion of the liability would fall on me as the land owner because I didn't take action to stop people from using my property as an access route across the tracks. Unbelievable that this is true. Our insurance company verified the information. It was reccommended to me to post the property and up liability insurance to protect my family.

I think this is a state by state issue. In NY you can't sue a landowner unless he willfully sets traps to hurt you with intent to do so. So if your hunting on someone's land and you fall....Too bad.

Idiots like I've read here are ruining any chance guys like me who are willing to help, donate time / materials and such are going to have if I wanted to go to a person's home and ask. It's a shame really
 
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I dont post my property. There are 2 neighbors who I know hunt on my property but I know and get along fine with both of them. i wouldnt want any strangers around though.
 

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