dog training tips and questions

[1 Old Man]

Our dog is only leashed when we take her off property to somewhere like Home Depot.
Use a slip collar and she'd need multiple correction (to stop pulling), use a prong collar
and she controls the pressure (lease length stays the same; pull hard feel prongs, walk
calmly no prongs). Walk in a heel position. I never pull the lease.
Amazing how quickly she learned.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Our dog is only leashed when we take her off property to somewhere like Home Depot.
Use a slip collar and she'd need multiple correction (to stop pulling), use a prong collar
and she controls the pressure (lease length stays the same; pull hard feel prongs, walk
calmly no prongs). Walk in a heel position. I never pull the lease.
Amazing how quickly she learned.

I hear ya, Same here with a normals clip on collar I have to giver her 3 haymaker for her to stop pulling (while walking you just stop and brace yourself for her to walk into it) with a prong it’s 1 pull (quick gentle jab) and it’s done for the night…. the goal is no to use it for both parties but it’s their choice.

 

[Rockbadchild]

We got trained with the shock collar/E collar, the technique is pretty interesting, it consist of finding the lowest level that she responds to, for her it’s 7 or 8 and zapping her before the command is verbalized and as soon as she responds to the command you stop. That to get her used associate it with you. We will moved from there in a week or so once she gets good at it … to the command and a shock is she doesn’t execute.

 

[1 Old Man]

We got trained with the shock collar/E collar, the technique is pretty interesting, it consist of finding the lowest level that she responds to, for her it’s 7 or 8 and zapping her before the command is verbalized and as soon as she responds to the command you stop. That to get her used associate it with you. We will moved from there in a week or so once she gets good at it … to the command and a shock is she doesn’t execute.

I have a E-collar. Current dog is the only dog I've ever used one on. I used it a couple of times. But found
out that the vibrate mode is all she needs to get her attention. I don't use it for training. I only put it on her
when she's going to be off property as a "back up" to having her on leash, if needed (leash breaks, she bolts after someone/something and I accidentally drop the leash etc).
Check and see if your dog will respond to the vibrate mode. Good luck.

 

[Rockbadchild]

I have a E-collar. Current dog is the only dog I've ever used one on. I used it a couple of times. But found
out that the vibrate mode is all she needs to get her attention. I don't use it for training. I only put it on her
when she's going to be off property as a "back up" to having her on leash, if needed (leash breaks, she bolts after someone/something and I accidentally drop the leash etc).
Check and see if your dog will respond to the vibrate mode. Good luck.

i am sure she would, but we are fallowing the training certification formats we payed for

 

[1 Old Man]

i am sure she would, but we are fallowing the training certification formats we payed for

Oh, ok. Got it. Let us know how it all works out. Interesting.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Oh, ok. Got it. Let us know how it all works out. Interesting.

We already have seen remarkable result and it’s only been a few weeks of training and two session with the trainer. But I means everything that has been said here is applied just with a few tools and a good structure while being showed how to. Now when we send her to bed she stay until the break command is given, she is very quick on the sit and lay down. She no longer pull on the leash at all. It calm her down and gave get clear boundaries.

 

[CalG]

I agree with you to a point, but it’s not a shortcut it’s a tool. How a mother trained her pups ? sure feels good also. I wouldn't put one on my lab but my GSD or my Golden are so stubborn they need it. Almost all trainer use one at first, he did start slow with it, it’s a 4 steps increment to get her used to it, it wasn’t anything like yanking on it until she listens but even then she got the messages very quick, after one session you can hold the leash with one finger and she knows and respect the length of the leash. You put it for the training sessions only not 27/4.

I can't say I have any experience with prong collars, so will stay out.
Seems like an extension of a "choke collar". clip the leash to one ring, and it's just a chain. Clipped to the the other ring, and constriction comes along with any tension on the leash. I don't like chain collars , as accidents do happen.

One thing I do know.... The dogs are not dumb! They know what is hanging around their necks. Call it feel, weight, or smell, they behave differently when under threat of pain.

Call it two ideologies of training.
Aversion and punishment vs enticement and reward.

For most of us, there is need for both. I'm heavily inclined towards the latter however.

The aversion/punishment can give rapid results and may be required for an indifferent dog.

 

[geteh]

We enrolled our GSD into an obedience 101 course at the local pet store.

The other pup was dumb as a brick hound pup.

Our GSD used to get mad at the hound when it wouldn't listen or had trouble understanding the command

Anyway, my wife and I alternated tskimg her to the class depending on our schedules.

I ended up taking Gypsy for the finals.

One of the final tests was to hook her too a leash that would go the lengh of the store. Trainer had her on one side of the store and I had to get gypsy to come to me without getting sidetracked.


We had quite a few spectators and the recall was three times back and forth across the store.

On the last recall gypsy came tearing down the aisles to me.

Just before she got to me, I gave her the command to sit.

She immediately sat sliding the last couple feet up to me.
dana pani by umera ahmed
I then said "Give me some paw!!!!"

Which she through her paw up for a high 5

I then heard about 50 "Ahhs..... that's do cute!!!!"

Great idea for a thread! Having a dedicated space for training and behavior advice will help. I’ve had success with "The Art of Raising a Puppy" by the Monks of New Skete and "Don't Shoot the Dog" by Karen Pryor for general training. For specific issues, consistency and positive reinforcement have always worked best for me. Looking forward to hearing others' experiences and recommendations!

 

[Rockbadchild]

I can't say I have any experience with prong collars, so will stay out.
Seems like an extension of a "choke collar". clip the leash to one ring, and it's just a chain. Clipped to the the other ring, and constriction comes along with any tension on the leash. I don't like chain collars , as accidents do happen.

One thing I do know.... The dogs are not dumb! They know what is hanging around their necks. Call it feel, weight, or smell, they behave differently when under threat of pain.

Call it two ideologies of training.
Aversion and punishment vs enticement and reward.

For most of us, there is need for both. I'm heavily inclined towards the latter however.

The aversion/punishment can give rapid results and may be required for an indifferent dog.

I was against the idea of using one as it seem over board, but I also have seen dogs completely ignoring (being desensitized) to a slip collars (choke collar) and constantly self suffocating on it. The Prong collar will pinch even if using both rings but if you use both rings it's a uniform tension around the neck if using only one ring it offer more tension and will pinch to simulate a bite.

When going in the program, they tell you what brand to buy for both electric collar and prong collar to ensure proper quality.

The program makes you move away from the prong collar as soon as the dog is proficient on it, then move to a e collar and finally going back to a standard collar.

I think any training needs both pressure or correction and reward, the level of correction simply need to be adjusted accordingly to the animal temperaments. The structure of the program is heavily dependent on reward espicially at first, then moving towards a mix of punishment and reward to punishment and praising. (Replacing a treat with play or petting)

One thing I also like about the program is the language and its structure.

Chip = reward (instead of a clicker but same thing)
Good = praising
Ha ha = warning or pressure
No = Correction