Don’t forget that sunscreen.

   / Don’t forget that sunscreen. #31  
Back when people had the common decency to die in their thirties, we didn't have to worry about skin cancer.

Getting old causes all kinds of problems.
And if the first one don't get ya, the second one will.

"While skin cancer is more prevalent, prostate cancer is a significant concern, as it's the second leading cause of cancer death in men. A history of melanoma has been linked to an increased risk of prostate cancer, and a history of prostate cancer has been linked to an increased risk of melanoma"
 
   / Don’t forget that sunscreen. #32  
My bride goes to the skin doc every 6 months to have different cancerous or pre-cancerous chunks removed from her skin. I tease her that this is her way of losing weight.

Seriously, if you are over 70 or other family history you should be seeing a dermatologist at least once a year. The old "an ounce of prevention..".
 
   / Don’t forget that sunscreen. #33  
Stop and think about it. Our ancestors grew up and evolved in nature. No sunscreen. No sunglasses. Even no clothing or little clothing. The prevalence of cancer these days is much higher. Why? Why do we incidences of skin cancer in people that do not go out in the sun at all? It's a story of light. We choose to live in an 'alien' lit world full of LED lights and screens. People don't really understand how light, and the different frequencies of light, will change your biochemistry. It will affect the physics of your body and how you create energy. When you understand how cancers form then you can back track and understand the inputs into that process and eventually come to an understanding about the environmental inputs at the top of that process. There you will find how light plays a roll.
 
   / Don’t forget that sunscreen. #34  
First off, the push to stop using sunscreen often comes from folks worried about chemicals like oxybenzone and octocrylene, which are in a lot of mainstream sunscreens. These ingredients have been flagged for potentially messing with the environment—like harming coral reefs and aquatic life. Oxybenzone, for instance, has been shown to be pretty toxic to marine ecosystems, which is why some places like Hawaii have banned sunscreens containing it. There’s also chatter about these chemicals absorbing into your skin and maybe causing issues, like hormone disruption or allergic reactions. Octocrylene, for example, can absorb at levels way above what the FDA considers “safe” for systemic exposure, and it’s been linked to contact dermatitis in some cases. Plus, it often breaks down into benzophenone, a known carcinogen. Yikes, right?

On the flip side, the idea that sunscreen is flat-out dangerous for humans is overblown. Studies claiming harm—like those with oxybenzone—are often based on rats chowing down on the stuff, not humans slapping it on their skin. You’d need to use sunscreen for something like 277 years to get the same dose those rats did. So, the “it’ll kill you” crowd is probably stretching the truth. And let’s not forget: sunscreen does protect against UV rays, which can lead to skin cancer—melanoma isn’t a joke.

Now, there’s also the vitamin D argument. Some folks say sunscreen blocks your body from making vitamin D since you need UVB rays for that. Fair point—vitamin D deficiency is real and can mess with your health. But you don’t need to bake yourself to get it. You can get vitamin D from foods like fatty fish or even supplements, and some experts say just 10-15 minutes of sun exposure a day (before you slather on protection) is enough.

If you’re thinking of ditching sunscreen, you might be into the natural alternatives crowd—like using coconut oil or olive oil, which have some UV-blocking properties. Coconut oil can block about 20% of UV rays and has a decent SPF, sometimes up to 40 in pure forms. Olive oil clocks in at around SPF 7-8. But let’s be real: these aren’t as effective as a good mineral sunscreen with zinc oxide, and they won’t cut it if you’re spending hours in the sun.

Here’s my take: you don’t need to stop using sunscreen entirely, but you might want to be pickier. Go for mineral-based ones with zinc or titanium—they’re less likely to have sketchy chemicals and are better for the planet. The Environmental Working Group rates these higher than chemical sunscreens for a reason. If you’re worried about vitamin D, get a little sun before you apply, or pop a supplement. And if you’re swimming in a reef, maybe skip the oxybenzone stuff to keep the fish happy.

So, no need to go full vampire, but you’ve got options.
 
   / Don’t forget that sunscreen. #35  
Seems the op should have used a different thread title. Skin cancer is not another conspiracy, it was killing our ancestors as well. Now that we live so, so much longer, we need to do things to protect ourselves, you know crazy things like sunscreen and clothing with uv filtering.
 
   / Don’t forget that sunscreen. #36  
Seems the op should have used a different thread title. Skin cancer is not another conspiracy, it was killing our ancestors as well. Now that we live so, so much longer, we need to do things to protect ourselves, you know crazy things like sunscreen and clothing with uv filtering.

It's not an absolute debate, though. There are people that don't need it and there are people that need it to even step outside. There are also side effect issues that you ignore completely.

Therefore, to argue it through the lens of moral shaming if something is not done...misses the point.
 
   / Don’t forget that sunscreen. #37  
When I use sunscreen, I use a mineral formula (look at the "active ingredients" on the back - it should only have Titanium Dioxide and/or Zinc Oxide if it's really just mineral) that I got at Target a zillion years ago. "up&up kids' minernal formula suncreen lotion", pretty sure it's Target's house brand, and a pint bottle cost less than $10 then. Not only was it relatively cheap, but it bugs my skin the least of any mineral lotion I've used.

You'll find that mineral sunscreens tend to be stickier; this stuff ^ that I got is less sticky than most, and I often cut it 50/50 with a skin lotion as well as I don't deliberately bake in the sun and do wear a hat. Mineral sunscreens almost all also leave a slight film due to the microscopic particles of TiO₂ and ZnO and may make you look slightly paler. They work by physically blocking the harmful rays; it's basically a very thin hat for wherever you've put it. There are "transparent" mineral sunscreens which use nanoparticles; these may have some deleterious effects.

Chemical sunscreens are often at least partially absorbed into the skin, and they work somewhat similarly to the minerals - they block the rays - but they do it by the chemical absorbing the rays and undergoing a chemical reaction (some chemical reactions produce light; some take light). The sunscreens themselves may be "generally considered safe" as they are, but the negative effects of the results of the chemical reaction they undergo after the photolysis isn't quite as obvious (ie, the sunscreen you put on may be fairly safe, but we can't say much about the chemicals that it changes into after it catches the UV).

Mineral sunscreens only need to be reapplied if they're removed; the stickier the stuff is, the less often you have to reapply it. Chemical sunscreens can be scraped or washed off as well, and they also degrade in the sunlight (by doing their job), so they definitely need to be reapplied regularly.

Less obvious issues: I find the stickier sunscreens may clog pores; the chemical sunscreens definitely stain clothes. YMMV; my overall choice is to cover up with clothing/hat and sunscreen as little as possible on the leftover exposed parts. That, and also be thankful for genes that keep me from burning, and wonder how my sun-worshiping 85yo mom hasn't come down with skin cancer yet - I'm not going to take those chances though.
 
   / Don’t forget that sunscreen.
  • Thread Starter
#38  
When I posted this I thought it was a cool old tractor and the skeleton just added a little humor. Did anybody notice a beer can in its hand? The sunscreen title was meant to be funny but like a lot of threads drift happens and is fine by me.
 
   / Don’t forget that sunscreen. #39  
When I posted this I thought it was a cool old tractor and the skeleton just added a little humor. Did anybody notice a beer can in its hand? The sunscreen title was meant to be funny but like a lot of threads drift happens and is fine by me.
I had to go back and look. Anytime there's a picture of an old tractor I get tunnel vision.
 
   / Don’t forget that sunscreen. #40  
When I posted this I thought it was a cool old tractor and the skeleton just added a little humor. Did anybody notice a beer can in its hand? The sunscreen title was meant to be funny but like a lot of threads drift happens and is fine by me.
Ohh. Cirrhosis of the liver.
We were off in the weeds on sun caused skin cancer 😂
 

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