Draining water filled tires....rust?

[kyles974]

I know filling tires questions there are 101+ threads here. I've read many over last couple years.
But can't find info on draining. (Please read before answering "6 o'clock")

This is my dilemma:
Live in Florida and have a high water table. Really high most of the times.
I use my jd 2320 on 2.5 arcers. With FEL ....I use alot. Most of the time a bucket of dirt here and there.
Made a ballistic out of a 50 gal drum filled with concrete. (If I remember it's around 350 lbs....wished I'd made it heavier....I cut off some of the top....thinking filled would be to heavy. Don't ask why I thougjt this....lol...)
Anyhow. ..this work great for me for 95% of the time.

But...with drought....want to dig out a shallow pond I have. Need more weight. Already bought the adapter to fill tires and made a shut off valve at the tire. (So I don't have to keep walking back to turn water on/off while bleeding air)

Anyhow. ...I am very nervous about filling the tires. My yard gets soft alot.....because of the high water table. What I'm afraid of is with tires filled....I may cause to many ruts.

So.....if I fill tires and decide I don't like it because of ruts or rougher ride (have suspension seat for extreme bad back and still not enough for my back at times)
But if I drain water at the 6:00 position. .....then find a small hose to siphon most of remainder water....do I or should I worry about what I don't get out? Will ....I'd guess a 1/2 cup or so of water that would still remain cause rim to rust??

If yes, anyone have suggestions on what I should do?

 

[George2615]

I would not worry about a cupful or so that you can't get out. You could add a little antifreeze or beet juice (rimguard) to the water. Antifreeze and Rimguard have anti corrosion additives.

 

[boggen]

TractorData.com John Deere 2320 tractor information

i like tubes for just this reason, i use the 12v sprayer pump, hook up the suction end to the tire valve stem, and just suck the tube dry. though most of the time only reason to drain, is to fix a leak. in that case generally leaves some fluid in the tube, and i have to wait till after i pop beads, and get a bead over edge first. before getting rest of the fluid out.

if your going to dig out a small pond your going to be making ruts. "no way getting around it" keep on the same path "some wiggle room on both sides as ya drive through ruts" do not drive over a wide area going every what way you feel like. keep to a dedicated path. that way when ya get done, you only have to mess with a certain specific path to redo the grass and get rid of the ruts. vs redoing ever inch of the entire yard.

i would say pop the beads on the tire, and pull one bead off the side of a rim. and get rest of the water out. if you are going to run them dry for a good length of time.
if you have issue re-setting the beads, it looks like the tire in photos is just slight bigger maybe same size as a truck tire in diameter, you might be able to take down to any local tire changing place / auto repair place. and have them re-set the beads and re-inflate it for you.

or pickup some tubes, and install them. if you don't want to pay someone to reset the beads of the tire for you.

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if ya going to pop the beads, and pull tire part way off the rim. having the right tools for job makes job much easier, more so the more specialized tire pry bars (a set of them)

 

[Soundguy]

dump in a few ounces of eco safe non toxic PG based antifreeze into the tires after you drain them. it will have anti corrosion addatives. then that cup of water rolling around won't be an issue.

 

[kyles974]

Oh good! (Sometimes I swear I insult my own intelligence by thinking to hard....lol)
Thanks for the reply fellows.

Oh....and to Boggen.....I tried to explain myself/situation clear but failed to say ....what I mean by ruts is not from digging but mainly after I do the "heavy" digging and just using tractor around the house with so much more added weight I'm afraid it will cause ruts or "tire dibbets" trails because my yard is sometimes soft. Every year there a few days I don't drive around back because of this now before added weight with filled tired.

Thanks again!
I feel so much at ease.....and it may not ever be an issue....I may keep tires filled. We'll see!

 

[murphy1244]

I don't mean to take over the op's thread but What if those tires were filled with calcium? Would that rust out the rim?

 

[varmint]

Calcium can cause rust. I know this, sadly. And filled rear tires would likely leave ruts on soft ground. Put another 500 lbs on the back of your tractor, and see what happens.

 

[Soundguy]

I don't mean to take over the op's thread but What if those tires were filled with calcium? Would that rust out the rim?

can. if they were tubed tires and not leaking that would be better. but even non tubed, the rust on the inside is usually minimal if the water level is kept up... though eventually after decades you will get rust at the stems and beads.

you could wash the rims out with water, then put some of that non toxic pg antifreeze in them to help with that rust. it has corrosion inhibitors.

 

[kyles974]

I don't mean to take over the op's thread but What if those tires were filled with calcium? Would that rust out the rim?

All good with me (OP) ....lol
I learned what I needed to learn.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Plain water will rust your rims. I just went thru a laborious task of sanding/grinding out a large front rim on the 5420 MFWD. I painted it with rusty metal primer and some enamel yellow paint and let it dry in the sun for a week before mounting the tire. Then, I saw on ebay someone selling new ones painted silver for NH for a bargain price of less than $200. I saved some money but I wore out my back and my 4.5" grinder a bit.

 

[kyles974]

Plain water will rust your rims. I just went thru a laborious task of sanding/grinding out a large front rim on the 5420 MFWD. I painted it with rusty metal primer and some enamel yellow paint and let it dry in the sun for a week before mounting the tire. Then, I saw on ebay someone selling new ones painted silver for NH for a bargain price of less than $200. I saved some money but I wore out my back and my 4.5" grinder a bit.

Now I'm nervous again about filling with water. Wonder if putting a gallon of some kind of additive to mix in with water....if a gallon of ???? Wonder if that would be enough?

I'm sure it would take some years...but I plan on owning my tractor until I die. So....at 40 yrs old....I hope that's another 30 yrs at least with tractor. ..lol

 

[Soundguy]

Antifreeze has corrosion inhibitors.. They make non toxic pg based stuff.

Ps..

Part wear out, they wear faster if you use them


Use your tractor, enjoy it, if a rim rusts in 25 us, replace it and keep enjoying your tractor

 

[Gary Fowler]

I would think that tires filled with water would not rust the rim out any faster from the inside than from the outside. The outside is exposed to sunlight, chemicals, manure etc and for sure that will rust faster than water. If the rims have a good solid paint job on them when filled, I don't think they would rust out in a lifetime or two expecially if the water level is kept above the rim.

 

[kyles974]

Antifreeze has corrosion inhibitors.. They make non toxic pg based stuff.

Ps..

Part wear out, they wear faster if you use them


Use your tractor, enjoy it, if a rim rusts in 25 us, replace it and keep enjoying your tractor

I would think that tires filled with water would not rust the rim out any faster from the inside than from the outside. The outside is exposed to sunlight, chemicals, manure etc and for sure that will rust faster than water. If the rims have a good solid paint job on them when filled, I don't think they would rust out in a lifetime or two expecially if the water level is kept above the rim.

Lol...at first comment above!! You're right

Thanks fellows... I am my worst enemy when I start over thinking.....sometimes I just need one to say the obvious. ...lol

Tractor is pulled in garage and I'm filling in the morning! !!

....and heck....I know other parts on the tractor are going to wear out WAY before rusted rims from filled witb water.
....plus....I don't know why I'm being "over cautious" about this? Because I "use" my tractor for a tractor!!
(I see pics here on tbn and think doesn't this guy use his tractor? The darn tractor still looks almost brand new!!! Lol
...and I'm kinda embarrassed to show a pic of mine witb same amout of hours on it...haha!!)
(I don't abuse it....BUT I do run it...if you know what I mean?)

Thanks again fellows!!

 

[Soundguy]

I have a ford 850 Franken tractor. It is mostly a 55, but has a later models power steering, running boards are welded on etc.

It's a monster, but moves my hay rolls fine

 

[kyles974]

I have a ford 850 Franken tractor. It is mostly a 55, but has a later models power steering, running boards are welded on etc.

It's a monster, but moves my hay rolls fine

That's one heck of a tractor!!

I got lucky.....got my jd 2320 with under 300 hrs practically free. (Company wife was working for new I wanted it. The owner was behind on personal taxes....5yrs behind....so owner told my wife if she did all those yrs taxes that she (the owner) would give us the tractor!!!) Wife said it was around $4200 if charged her....I said "honey...it would be one thing if it was a good deal.....but this is a STEAL!!" (Wife knew what tractor was new and worth at time)
Oh....and came with trailer, grade master...like a box blade but better, and a woods rear finish mower

I LOVE MY WIFE!!!!


Oh...just got done filling tires. Came in to rest a badly sprained ankle so haven't tried them out yet.

 

[Soundguy]

Nice!

 

[boggen]

Oh good! (Sometimes I swear I insult my own intelligence by thinking to hard....lol)
Thanks for the reply fellows.

Oh....and to Boggen.....I tried to explain myself/situation clear but failed to say ....what I mean by ruts is not from digging but mainly after I do the "heavy" digging and just using tractor around the house with so much more added weight I'm afraid it will cause ruts or "tire dibbets" trails because my yard is sometimes soft. Every year there a few days I don't drive around back because of this now before added weight with filled tired.

Thanks again!
I feel so much at ease.....and it may not ever be an issue....I may keep tires filled. We'll see!

there are times ya just do not get out on the lawn no matter what, heck even a riding lawn mower will leave ruts, (not filled tires). or riding lawn mower to light weight and get stuck on wet grass on a hill.

when stuff is to wet, it is just plain to wet outside, and you will end up creating ruts. and you just need to wait the stuff out, till it dries. lawn's can take a pretty heavy weight before you start creating ruts. you just need to "wait" till stuff dries up more and take things slow. though i have a lawn vs a golf course greens. meaning some dandelions here and there, some weeds here or there, maybe even a rut here or there. maybe a no grass in some shaded spots. *hoping to eventually kill out the creeping charlie* and when mowing is done, i do make sharp turns, and tear up a little grass here or there. it grows back in a couple weeks. and all is good. when grass gets to tall, i leave the clumps to rot away back into the yard, ya i could wait another half day for things to dry out, but other things to do.

while the RV stuff has anti corrosion and like in it. what about the condensation? i mean if ya leave some water in tire. every day it gets warm enough / cold enough through the entire day going to cause some condensation on the rim i am guessing. more so if tractor is left outside vs placed in shed.

 

[kyles974]

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I understand what you're saying.....but I can tell you don't have a clue in how my "back 40" gets. (Don't expect anyone that hasn't experience my area.....I know. ....I grew up 20 something yrs in Michigan and thought I had soft ground up there...lmao...nope!

....and when I say "ruts" ....I should have explained myself better....I mean "dibbits" ...not a rut as tearing up lawn.
There's times where my big *** leaves them when walking...lol

Anyhow. ...got them filled this morning and so far so good.

 

[Soundguy]

Condensation gets picked up as soon as the tire rolls