Draw bar stabilizer

[chupacabra]

Ok, I understand now. I was not thinking about the fixed drawbar, I was thinking of the drawbar on the three point hitch.. I get it. On my tractor I don't have the fixed drawbar, and mine is the same as NHmitch, and I was trying to figure it out using my tractor. Very clear what you guys were talking about now.

Thanks

 

[pacerron]

I have enclosed a picture. Is this where the chain would go? What good would a chain do. Please excuse me for not seeing and understanding what you are saying.

What he is saying is attach one end of the chain to the tractor drawbar which you may have removed or not have. It is the large heavy bar that is attached under the tractor transmission with a pin and lock which goes through a choice of holes depending on the implement. The portion that sticks out back of the tractor has a large hole in it to attach balers, rakes, tedders and other wheeled equipment. It usually has an S bend in it so there are two specific height dimensions from the ground depending on how it is inserted in the tractor mount.
You could have put a ball on there and pulled your trailer but the front of the trailer may be too low and cornering could cause problems if your trailer tongue is too short.
With a two wheel trailer you should adjust your tongue height so there is some downward pressure on the ball but too much is bad.

 

[NHmitch]

That actually does make pretty good sense since there is not down pressure, and the weight of the trailer can make the arms raise up. I think that I will have to make that addition. I wonder if I could just place the chain attached to one of the holes in the draw bar near the ball hitch? Thanks for the suggestion.:thumbsup:

 

[pacerron]

That actually does make pretty good sense since there is not down pressure, and the weight of the trailer can make the arms raise up. I think that I will have to make that addition. I wonder if I could just place the chain attached to one of the holes in the draw bar near the ball hitch? Thanks for the suggestion.:thumbsup:

They really don't hurt anything, but I was wondering why you have the
2 rubber bungy straps pulling your bottom links together in the picture?

With just a single axle trailer you have to be careful of how you load it to keep the tongue pressure somewhat balanced but a little down.
This maintains your tractor drive wheels contact with the ground and the trailer socket on the ball even if it becomes unlatched.

 

[284 International]

One thing about especially a single axle trailer is that putting a load onto the back of the trailer can make it into a teeter-totter. On a tractor without the lift restrained, this means the tongue of the trailer goes skyrocketing upward, and the shovel fulls of manure, gravel, bunch of children or what have you go tumbling down the inclined trailer deck. A double axle trailer will do the same thing, just not as easily, because of the shorter lever arm off the rear.

A similar thing is used on the three point backhoes to keep things rigidly secure: (Image taken from Koyker KB660 three point hitch backhoe attachment)

 

[boggen]

something just looks out of place to me....

why not wire up the "top link" to the seat of tractor or remove it. then lift up the 3 pt lower arms. and just put a ball on end of tractor?

perhaps i am use to pulling wagons, that have a long narrow piece of metal that connects to rear end of tractor. vs a regular trailer that would attach to a vehicle.

but having things hanging so far back behind the tractor. any sort of weight on front of trailer = front tires lifting up off ground. and any sort of weight on rear of trailer = 3 pt hitch lifting up, or possibly rear tires coming off the ground. causing rear of trailer to hit the ground.

 

[chupacabra]

Ok, since I don't have a drawbar under the pto, i would have to hook some limiter chains as shown in the picture. I see your point about the traile ball being so far back. But what if the load shifts to the back and raised the tongue of the trailer to high? Would the limiter chains shown in my picture work for me?

I have 3 bolt holes (plugged with plastic plugs) right under the pto. Could that be for a draw bar? If it is , that looks very weak to me. Disaster waiting to happen to the differential. I think the easiest and safest way is to just have the trailer loaded securely, with a hundred or two hundred pounds on the tongue, lift the trailer hitch a minimun off the ground, and proceed carefully.

 

[284 International]

why not wire up the "top link" to the seat of tractor or remove it. then lift up the 3 pt lower arms. and just put a ball on end of tractor?

One handy thing about a ball mounted on the three point is it allows a trailer to be lifted into position with no force or exertion, and without getting on and off the tractor.

The weight is less troublesome than one may think. Even a cheap box blade for these weigh 300 lbs, and carries its weight behind where the ball mounts. My equivalently sized Yanmars will lift a 500 lb disk, with the weight far behind the ball. Brush mowers are similarly heavy and even longer. If the tractor is drivable with an implement like these on back, the trailer will be easily managed. Most trailers specify under 500 lbs of tongue weight anyway.

So long as your chains keep the hitch from rising up too far, it will work fine. "Too high" will be a function of the tongue height for the trailer and the ball used. I like to limit the free play so that the trailer can be loaded at the rear without tipping. If your uses don't call for it, there isn't really a point.

 

[pacerron]

Ok, since I don't have a drawbar under the pto, i would have to hook some limiter chains as shown in the picture. I see your point about the traile ball being so far back. But what if the load shifts to the back and raised the tongue of the trailer to high? Would the limiter chains shown in my picture work for me?

I have 3 bolt holes (plugged with plastic plugs) right under the pto. Could that be for a draw bar? If it is , that looks very weak to me. Disaster waiting to happen to the differential. I think the easiest and safest way is to just have the trailer loaded securely, with a hundred or two hundred pounds on the tongue, lift the trailer hitch a minimun off the ground, and proceed carefully.

It is a little hard to see in your pic but where I added the red arrow is either your drawbar in a collapsed storage position or the entry to where one goes.
It looks like from your pics that you are running the drawbar you added between the bottom links at about the same height and your trailer tongue is
down to apply weight to the ball. As was said, the center balance point of your single axle trailer is going to vary depending on how you load the trailer.
A drawbar on an implement tractor usually has two holes so that the end where the implement hooks on is either 14" or 16" behind the PTO.
Larger tractors that pull heavy equipment such as balers with 1,000 pound or more bales in them or big wagons have the drawbar secured by a pin that is often less than an inch in diameter, so if what you are concerned about being a drawbar mount weakness really is the drawbar mount, don't be concerned. Think how big (tiny) a semi-trailer mount is for it's capacity.
Check your manual or a dealer or the internet to get the specs on your tractor, what the load limits are, and how the bottom drawbar works.
The tongue on your trailer looks like it would be plenty long to operate and allow reasonably tight turns with your tractor if you had a bottom drawbar
that was 14-16" long in the "for use" position. Always check though; you don't want to catch the front of your trailer box on your rear tractor tire in a turn.

 

[chupacabra]

Pacerron, that is nhmitch's tractor. Mine is just like it but without the drawbar you are seeing! Sorry for the mix up. Mine is an orange one. Mitch has the 4 wheel drive and I have the 2 wheel drive. Same Iseki tractors except for the drives. I wonder if he has that drawbar because his is 4 wheel drive? Who know's.