Dual Clutch Not working.

[jabiru]

Hi,I recently bought a foton FT354 at auction in Australia,(It is brand new) But I cant get the PTO clutch to work, I have adjusted the pedal and stop bolt but no luck. It has been sitting at the docks for approx six months,so I think it is Stuck, can anybody please help me with any info on how to free it, theres not much in the way of support out here, Thanks (PS, what a great website for info you guys have).

 

[greg_g]

If you've already determined the PTO select lever is working properly, good chance the PTO friction disc is stuck to the flywheel. If so - and without breaking the tractor in half - you'll have to (try to) break it free under load. With the tractor in neutral and NOT running - and with the PTO lever engaged - turning the PTO spline may break it free. As to avoid damaging the spline teeth, this should probably be done by connecting a PTO shaft; apply the leverage to the shaft, letting it in turn try to rotate the spline.

Another method would be to connect a PTO implement, like a rotary cutter. Tractor should already be warmed up before trying this, then shut it down. Put the transmission in neutral, engage the PTO lever, foot off the clutch, start the engine, quickly bring up the RPMs. The act of lugging against the inert blades may also break the plate free of the flywheel.

//greg//

 

[Boltonpower]

You can try what Greg suggests. Sometime they will break free
but more often than not I find one or both clutchs are out of
adjustment. The Jinma's at least don't seem to adjust them
well at the factory. At least 1/3 of ours require it pre-delivery
so we adjust ALL the units we set up. Your manual should
layout the procedure for an internal adjustment. You should
have an inspection port on one or both sides of the bell housing.

Cheers
Graham

 

[Affordable]

We have to adjust all of ours during assembly also, make sure you are engaging both levers ,1- for the speed selection at the back of the tractor 540/1000 the other is the actual pto engagement lever,if both are not engaged the pto will not work.The way I understand what you are saying the pto is not turning at all ?? Let us know what you find

Tommy
Affordable Tractor Sales

 

[greg_g]

You guys have worked on considerably more Jinma clutches than have I. And I can attest to your words from my own Jinma clutch experience. Excessive finger clearance can cause a similar problem. But in this case, "...sitting on the docks for six month " was what steered me toward the friction disc/flywheel.

//greg//

 

[jabiru]

Thanks greg g,Boltonpower and Affordable, The pto shaft is turning and the select level is ok,I just cant get it to stop so I will try the clutch adjustment method first, then if not sucessful then try to break it free. Again deeply appreciate your help, and I will let you know what I find.
cheers, Jabiru.

 

[3RRL]

jabiru,
Just wanted to clarify...
Have you had an implement attached to the PTO and it drives the implement while the PTO is not engaged?

Mine always turns even with the select lever in nuetral, but it is not engaged....it merely rotates, as Greg put it, "through parasitic force" ...associated friction of rotating compnents. If you have not tried this, hook up a PTO driven implement that has a reasonable amount of resistance and see if the PTO drives it.

 

[jabiru]

I thought of that too, but it still spins with an implement attached and under load, I've just pulled off the inspection plate after 2hrs trying to find the bloody thing,(it was hidden behind the foot step mount) and out gushed at least a pint of rusty water so I'll try tonight to check the adjustment, but there is heaps of rust in there so does anyone know whats the best way clean out in there without damaging the clutch plates etc,
Thanks, Jabiru.

 

[beenthere]

How did you apply the 'load' to the PTO while the PTO clutch was dis-engaged?

If the plates are rusted together bad, then replacement may be the only option. I'd work on the 'load' possibility first to see if it will break loose. I worked on an old 2-cyl JD for a neighbor that had the dual clutch (he didn't know it) and went into some real heavy brush with a brush cutter to finally break it loose.
Took awhile, however. Was fine after that.

 

[Affordable]

Well with what you just said about all the water,I would guess it is rusted up,you may try some brake cleaner, since the PTO disc is closest to the flywheel you are not going to be able to get to it very well or at all. Hopefully it's a adjustment. If it was me and its not out of adjustment,I would just split the tractor and clean it up possibly replace the clutch pack

Tommy
Affordable Tractor