Dumbest thing I seen lately!!!

[PBMAX]

Some poeple can just plum do some dumb stuff...Here in bama I've been told no shooting within 100' of the road,May be furthe now.No shooting from up off the ground except for desuignated hunting areas,clubs ect.

When the wife and I bought our 8.5 the 1st thing we did was put those green steel fence post right next to and directly inline with the survey stakes.Figured it couldn't hurt.Plus we do intend to fence off the place for animals,the wife plans on down the road.Figured it would be a few less fence post to put up later on.
One of my new nieghbor's sons runs a little dove hunting opp. and before we even moved in or started building we had shot falling around us on one visit.I doubt they even new we were there,but you can see our house for a loooooooooong ways off in most directions.We're up pretty high and no trees on 3 sides.Only happend the one time that I know of last season.Sence we wern't up there much last season.The dad seems to be a nice fellow.I'll give them the benifit of the doubt....for now...I hope you get your issue solved without to much hassel....Though I think I will look onto the gunfire distance form the ouse and road bit just in case....Never hurts to prepared...

Lil' Paul
Proud owner of TC21D
Laziness is the Father of invention.../w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

 

[TWINKLE_TOES]

Patrick,

Kick their butts off your place. Give them an inch an they will take a mile./w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif

The fellow that figures out how to lay out land plots so they have no neighbors will make Bill Gates look like a pauper.

Al

 

[GBear]

One more for the dumb property lines files.

The property I live on is part of an old homestead in the national forest. When I bought it, I had it surveyed immediately. When I selected a building site, it was only after a lot of preparation, planning, and a lot of time spent visualizing the finished product, potential property splits, access roads, and utility easements. My neighbor was not as thoughtful.

He built his house 80 feet from the property line we share and has gradually expanded his yards over the years. His view out the front of his house is a big dirt hillside on my property and the access road in the easement. When he divided his property, his engineer granted an access easement 40 feet wide, so now his landscaped front yard area extends well into this easement. What an idiot. His solution is that we should tear down the hillside; we should move the road; we should make his front yard bigger; I should pay for it. Its only about 20 feet tall, 40 feet deep, and 150 feet wide. That is roughly 4500 yards of dirt and granite!

I promised to look into it in the sake of being neighborly. He seems to think that meant I agreed to do it. In order to do it legally, I need a soils evaluation and report ($1600), a survey and elevation drawing ($500), a grading plan ($2000), a grading permit ($4500), an erosion control plan ($450), an erosion control permit ($200), an onsite soils engineer ($????), and the county will do the inspections for free (I guess that’s where all this permit money goes). And I know I left something out like bonding and insurance. This is all before the first blade hits the ground, for which the bid was 4-5 days at $650 per day for a D6, a loader, and a scraper. Of course, since the hill is on my property, he thinks I should pay for this job entirely. He has offered to pay for NONE of it. My neighbor, who is litigious by nature and has sued others before, says that we don’t need any of this legal stuff. Considering he is down slope and only 80 feet from the hill, what are the odds that the machinery will crack one of his walls? or a slab? or that it will rain and the mud will flow into his yard? or his kitchen? or that he won’t get mad and call the county and tell them I am grading without a permit? Pretty good, I bet.

To me it became an ethical question. I value my integrity and do not like it when someone impugns it. This is what I have concluded. Any agreement, explicit or implied, made without all the facts and information, or that is illegal, does not have to be acted upon. I looked into it, but there is no way that I am going to spend $15K+++ to improve his front yard. I told him so. Had he built 100 feet further down slope, the point would be moot. Any moron with 20 minutes should be able to figure out you don’t build next to the property line when you own 10 full acres.

After the third screaming and swearing episode with this jackass, I concluded we were going to disagree. I loaded a big rock in the FEL and placed it on the disputed strip of ground directly adjacent to his expanding front yard and next to the driveway to his garage. I painted the rock dark gray and in foot-tall bright white letters painted the address of my property. Every day when he drives by that rock, he knows who owns that strip of ground.

 

[PBMAX]

Now thats a rock solid and to the point....I love it.../w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif


Lil' Paul
Proud owner of TC21D
Laziness is the Father of invention.../w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

 

[JOR_EL]

Gbear,

Enjoyed both your atitude AND your writing style! /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

More power to you!

(Where do these jerk-neighbors come from /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif ?? )

Larry

 

[EdDekker]

I had a problem with a slightly more remote neighbor.

I moved into a new development in a small (population 4000) NH town. The developer had gone through the entire process to build the development and get the town to accept the roads for town maintenance, with names approved by the town planning board and registered with the state. One of these roads is Blueberry Lane.

After the planning board approved the name, but before the first house was build, Wayne (a long time town resident) decided he liked the name Blueberry Lane. Wayne wanted to name his shared driveway Blueberry Lane. He went to his brother in law, a town selectman, and asked where the town gets road signs. The selectman didn’t know and told him to ask the town road agent. Wayne went to the town road agent and told him that the selectman had sent him and wanted the town to put up a Blueberry Lane sign for his driveway. The town ordered the sign and the road agent installed it. Wayne also painted ‘Blueberry Lane’ on the sign for his used car business. The driveway is on the major road through the town, seen multiple times a day by all the emergency service personnel.

The first house on (the real) Blueberry Lane was completed and when the fire chief of the town volunteer fire department was doing the inspection for the occupancy permit the developer asked him where he would go if there was a fire on Blueberry lane. He replied that he would go up to Wayne’s house. The developer pointed out that he was on Blueberry Lane. The Fire chief promised to take care of the problem.

I moved in shortly after this (into the second house on Blueberry Lane). The sign on Wayne’s driveway was still up but the Fire Chief had made ‘sure’ there was no problem with emergency services. Occasional packages or deliveries were delayed, but I was new, Wayne had lived here for his entire life. I didn’t want the reputation of a troublemaker.

Two years later my Mother accidentally pushed the police emergency button on the alarm panel. A half hour later the police department called and stated that they were on Blueberry Lane and my house number didn’t exist and asked where my house really was. I asked where they turned onto Blueberry Lane and explained the problem and 10 minutes later the Police Chief was at the door to apologize. As soon as he left I was on the phone to my lawyer. Time to sue.

I organized the now three occupied houses on Blueberry Lane to join my suit. It was an easy sell, we clearly had no reliable emergency services as long as the sign on Wayne’s driveway was seen daily by the drivers of the emergency vehicles. Two of the families had small children and my mother lives with me. With her medical history: stroke, history of heart failure and other health problems it had been a miracle that my mother had not needed an ambulance yet.

The lawyer talked to the town lawyer and the town decided that rather than being named as a defendant along with Wayne the town would join our suit as a plaintiff (and even pay 25% of my lawyer’s fee). Our suit had the support of the Police chief and the selectmen (including Wayne’s brother in law).

We went to court for a preliminary injunction to force Wayne to remove the signs and stop using the name. The courtroom experience was interesting. Wayne did not allow his lawyers (his cousin and the senior lawyer in her law firm) to talk, he kept interrupting. He eventually told them to be quiet got up and presented the argument himself. His basic argument was that since he used ‘Blueberry Lane’ as a mailing address when he registered his auto sales business with the state registry of motor vehicles, he had been given exclusive use of the name Blueberry Lane by the state and that nothing the dumb judge could do would change this. (This is not a recommended legal strategy.)

As I left the courthouse, Wayne was on the steps of the courthouse jumping up and down screaming at his lawyers.

The preliminary injunction was issued. Wayne managed to delay the hearing on a permanent injunction for the next year. (I didn’t care, I had what I wanted.)

He finally sold the house, and three months later agreed to make the injunction permanent without a hearing. (I was afraid he still owned another lot on the shared driveway.)


Ed

 

[patrickg]

I don't know if it was a case of a lawyer doing what is required to ensure a demand for his services, B U T Wouldn't inviting them to mow your property if they want to be a terrific liability for you. What if the neighbor's friend's cousin ... xxx is allowed to try out the neato riding lawnmower and cuts his toes off. Dontcha think you would somehow be named in the lawsuit? They have official notification that it was OK with you. When you invite somone on yor land FOR ANY REASON don't they have a legal right to expect a safe environment? Consider: some miscreant throws a beer bottle into the high grass. Your neighbor or his friend's retarded son hits it with a mower causing xxxx Well you get the picture.

Better I think simply to allow them to contribute to a monetary fund which you will use to have the lawn finish mowed, should the fund ever grow to the requisite size.

Patrick

 

[patrickg]

RMORGAN: For the record: Although I did live briefly in Pomona (pre USAF) and several years in San Diego (post USAF) I am a registered card carrying member of the Oklahoma Cattlemans Association and voting resident of the state of Oklahoma.This information not to be construed due to juxtaposition as being causally related to the thread topic "Dumbest..."

 

[Von]

Patrick,
I'm sure some lawyer will see it that way, but the letter did state that they may do so at there own risk. so I guess that is why a have a million $ insurance coverage. But since they have both decided to stop cutting it, I guess it doesen't matter anymore! I am thinking of putting up posted signs just to cover my A$$ in these sue happy times.

 

[patrickg]

Von,
You were lucky.
I agree with you very much. Unfortunately I am not legally qualified so that doesn't
mean a lot. Did you know that in some states a person can NOT sign away their
rights. For example: In California (and some other states) you can even sign a
witnessed notorized document attesting to your accepting full responsibility for
your safety while on someone's premises and then later successfully sue them for
any injury received. It is incredibly stupid, but true.

What do you think the value is of an "ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK" sign?

It is an advertisement of where to go to get to be able to sue someone. I once
bought a 9 mo old Great Dane, on approval due to age. I introduced the dog to the
neighbors and their son. In the father's prescence I reminded the boy to never
approach the dog when I didn't have him on a leash and then approach gently and
mind his ears as they aren't fully healed from cosmetic surgery (I wouldn't have
allowed it myself but it was already done).

Later, when we are not home, the dog is running free in our large fenced in
backyard. The neighbor lifts his son up and places him over the 5 ft chainlink fence
to be with the dog. The boy grabs the dog's ears, sticks his face into the dog's and
yanks, playfully I'm told. The dog bit him once on the cheek. They sue, my
insurance paid them off rather than defend the case. They said they didn't want a
cute little child to ever get in front of a jury or big bucks would be lost irrespective
of the merits of the case. Later the "Caring grief stricken" parent sends the little boy
over to ring our bell and display his bandaged cheek and tell us, "See what your
dog did!"

This guy would have, in my oppinion, if he had thought of it, placed his son's head
in the dog's mouth and kicked the dog's mouth closed if he thought he would get
paid for it. The good news, the dog wasn't destroyed but I did return it to the seller and later
bought a Dane puppy but that is a different story.

Patrick