mustangsallysdad
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That's not been my experience...it sets up quite well...others may not have been as fortunate as me as I don't have much frost heave to deal with.
Dust control for gravel lane
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Didn't work that way for me either.
I'm amazed at how solid the recycled ground asphalt has been for 7 years now, after using both diesel fuel in one area and used oil (mostly hydraulic oil) on another area.
True, diesel is used to clean the hot asphalt tools.
But it sure didn't turn back into just gravel the next year. Maybe I didn't put so much on to wash out the tar? When spilling some diesel on the hot mix drive, and it got under the tractor wheel, then it messed up the knitting of the smooth surface. But on re-cycled material, it didn't have that washed-out effect.
Now we may be talking completely different recycled material here. I suspect it varies from around the different regions and countries. There is re-ground hot mix, and re-ground cold mix. Each of the mixes has different oil and gravel mixtures. Not sure if there is any of it that is standard.
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After considerable research, the only thing I am allowed to use, since we live on porous and sand/gravel soils hills that leach very, very quickly down to the 11,000 acre lake and since we are in the watershed, is a beet juice product. Absolutely no oil, petroleum based products are allowed, and for good reason.
Similar, I think, to what RimGuard is made from, although I am not 100% sure. Anyhow, this new product is also used for ice melting in enviro friendly applications and also seems to be much less corrosive to vehicles, a major issue when using many products either for dust control or road ice melting.
It is my understanding that this product is very difficult for a private party to obtain. I, for one, would love to know much more about this.
Similar, I think, to what RimGuard is made from, although I am not 100% sure. Anyhow, this new product is also used for ice melting in enviro friendly applications and also seems to be much less corrosive to vehicles, a major issue when using many products either for dust control or road ice melting.
It is my understanding that this product is very difficult for a private party to obtain. I, for one, would love to know much more about this.
clemsonfor
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Ok this is what they do to rural roads (deisel /oil), not so much anymore but is still a method that works.
As far as whats good not good green vs practical. He is not really asking green or not. NOne of us im sure just dump oil in the sewer drain or on our field we all drink water and like to see stuf grow, some things are just the way that enviro hippies hate. Im a forester for example, loggers do not buy hydrolic fluid by the 5 gallon bucket full at $35 bucket to just dump in the woods but things happen and a hose busts etc and by the time there back to the deck 20 gallons has sprayed into the woods. This is not intentional but just the reality of our world today and the way we do it, its still not practical in woods work to use the veggie stuff as the marine world. Tree marking paint is another its illeagal by EPA standards to just dump the stuff on the ground but in a good day with one handgun i can spray out 3 gallons of the stuff. This eventually will end up on the ground either in the woods or in the bark at the mill that is either burned as boiler fuel or sold to Lowes or walmart for folks to put in their flower beds. Burning gas and deisel is really not a green thing but thats the way we do controlled burns (probably should be saying all this cause those that dont know now will hate us foresters who try and look out for our resourse and leave trees for the next generation through reforesting our clearcuts etc.) but we use 60%deisel and 40% gas. On a good burn day when i worked my first real forestry job we would sling out over 100 gallons of the stuff (torch fuel) most would burn 5% may not.
If OP drives an 09 Escalade or a 60K mersadese (SP?) he may not want to put fuel oil on the road, but if he drives the abve he probly dosent live on a gravel road.
The Green option that many, wait for it, those darn polluting Loggers do is they have an old water truck and park it out on the road and crack the valve and spray the road every other or third day. This is an option , probly not a cost effective one but the green option. Green always usually means green.
-Nate
As far as whats good not good green vs practical. He is not really asking green or not. NOne of us im sure just dump oil in the sewer drain or on our field we all drink water and like to see stuf grow, some things are just the way that enviro hippies hate. Im a forester for example, loggers do not buy hydrolic fluid by the 5 gallon bucket full at $35 bucket to just dump in the woods but things happen and a hose busts etc and by the time there back to the deck 20 gallons has sprayed into the woods. This is not intentional but just the reality of our world today and the way we do it, its still not practical in woods work to use the veggie stuff as the marine world. Tree marking paint is another its illeagal by EPA standards to just dump the stuff on the ground but in a good day with one handgun i can spray out 3 gallons of the stuff. This eventually will end up on the ground either in the woods or in the bark at the mill that is either burned as boiler fuel or sold to Lowes or walmart for folks to put in their flower beds. Burning gas and deisel is really not a green thing but thats the way we do controlled burns (probably should be saying all this cause those that dont know now will hate us foresters who try and look out for our resourse and leave trees for the next generation through reforesting our clearcuts etc.) but we use 60%deisel and 40% gas. On a good burn day when i worked my first real forestry job we would sling out over 100 gallons of the stuff (torch fuel) most would burn 5% may not.
If OP drives an 09 Escalade or a 60K mersadese (SP?) he may not want to put fuel oil on the road, but if he drives the abve he probly dosent live on a gravel road.
The Green option that many, wait for it, those darn polluting Loggers do is they have an old water truck and park it out on the road and crack the valve and spray the road every other or third day. This is an option , probly not a cost effective one but the green option. Green always usually means green.
-Nate
clemsonfor
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What came to my head before i read the rest of these was that i dont think i would want to put any kind of salt Mg Ca or mgcl or anything on a road that i will be driving over wet that would stick to the under side of my older vehicls and rust them even faster.
I have seen the crused asphalt that looked like a broken asphalt road here in the GA sun.
Enviro way going with oil would be to use that veggi oil based hydro fluid like they use in the marine industry. You can buy it by the 55 gallon drum. I have no idea what it costs but i have a feeling once you see what it costs you will decide aginst it. They use it , b/c if a hose busts on deck they spray all that suff on deck that is washed over board and sprayed over to avoil an oil slick in the water.
Check a bulk food distributer and check just straigt vegitable oil prices for 55 gal drums surely cheaper than hydro fluid but probly a little more than deisel fuel.
-Nate
I have seen the crused asphalt that looked like a broken asphalt road here in the GA sun.
Enviro way going with oil would be to use that veggi oil based hydro fluid like they use in the marine industry. You can buy it by the 55 gallon drum. I have no idea what it costs but i have a feeling once you see what it costs you will decide aginst it. They use it , b/c if a hose busts on deck they spray all that suff on deck that is washed over board and sprayed over to avoil an oil slick in the water.
Check a bulk food distributer and check just straigt vegitable oil prices for 55 gal drums surely cheaper than hydro fluid but probly a little more than deisel fuel.
-Nate
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I've been using calcium chloride (dow flake) on our lane for a few years. It works quite well even when I've had bad luck with heavy rain storms not long after applying it, which I've done with a push spreader. It works especially well on limestone, with which it reportedly combines chemically and stays in place longer. In addition to keeping the dust down it does a good job of stabilizing the road surface, keeping it compacted and intact. Where I live the county uses a similar chemical twice per year on all the non paved roads. However, where I live it can be fairly humid in the summer. Calcium chloride works to keep the dust down etc. by attracting water to itself. I'm not sure how effective it would be in very dry climates.
Not sure if this is the right forum but I am looking for advise on dust control. I have a long gravel lane shared by 3 homes and it gets very dusty in the summer. Does anyone have any ideas on what to apply to keep dust down? Besides blacktop as thats not an option at this point?
Thanks
I've got the same situation. Luckily *I* live at the end of the road so the dust does not get to me. What works best and is very friendly on several counts, is to just drive very slowly, around <10mph, and the slower the better.
Another great advantage of the slow driving is that it preserves the road surface. The faster the road speeds, the bigger and sooner the potholes and
the need to go out and work your tractor. Or is that a good thing? ;'>
We did the recycled asphalt thing, getting it well compacted by a large roller.
That held up nicely, with minimal dust until the following winter (wet) and
speedy driving by some busted up the surface.
Getting all who drive the road to keep the speed down is near impossible me thinks, unless you incorporate lots of speed bumps. Of course pot holes do become speed bumps if you let them go long enough.
It's never dusty after it rains, so water works nicely without poisoning the environment at all.
Slow is best,
Dennis
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This will surely keep the dust down, but sorry, this is a horrid concept environmentaly.
Do you drink water? Where's that water come from? Why does the EPA get so excited when they discover a fuel tank leaking into the ground(water) anywhere.
I have a well right near my road.
Dennis
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It is a DEQ approved method and is implemented by the county and state in my area...not sure if you are aware of this, but there are still several areas of the country that use oiled roads, however horrid you may think it is. Again, the OP was asking for effective methods, not environmentally friendly methods for dust control and that is one of the most effective, legal methods that is still in use. It is up to the OP and his conscience to decide and to do his due dilligence regarding the legality of it's use in his locale. Just because it may not be practiced in your area doesn't mean it isn't practiced elsewhere. The county Hydrologist's report is posted in the local paper monthly, and he has yet to find a higher than what is considered normal amount of petroleum in stormwater sampling stations...if you drive a paved road you'll notice that dark spot in the middle of the lane? That is grease, oil and diesel and it gets washed into the ground water as well. It is like most contaminates and pollution in this country...there are acceptable limits...just like the USDA has a threshold for the amount of rodent feces and insect remains that are considered safe for human consumption, I.E., in the food YOU eat.