DX 26/23 vs. 2015 vs. B7610

daTeacha · Mar 5, 2006

As all this was rolling around in my mind last night, I did a little mental math. Case has 0% for 36 on the DX26, but at the dealership in question here in Ohio, the latest flyer from CNH showed 0% for 60 on the DX 29/33. Pricewise, the 29 comes in about $2k higher than the 26, but on a monthly payment basis, it ends up about $75 cheaper. Now I may not be a genius with financial matters, but that seems like a pretty good difference.

The 29 stacks up against the 26 as follows: .1 inch shorter overall; 5.4 inches wider; 5.5 inches longer wheelbase; Adjustable height/tension suspension/swivel seat vs seat on set springs; Flexible link ends vs. stationary; Crank link leveler vs needing a wrench; 50% more hydaulic flow; 874 lb. heavier; 370 lb. more rear lift at 24" out; 128 lb. more loader lift at 500 mm out; 60" bucket vs. 54". 6.6 inches taller with ROPS up.

Since I'm proceeding on the basis of monthly payments -- why not since it's 0% -- the only thing that might make me not look really hard at the 29 is how high I sit when the ROPS is down. I don't see where, despite it's larger mass, the 29 will need much more room to operate and we all know bigger and stronger is better, right?? Anyways, after chuch today, I'm going to sit on a 29/33 and have the wife measure where the top of my head is. I hope it's less than my 81" height limit because sooner or later I'll forget to duck when driving into the barn or garage, which could cause some serious neck damage. If it's shorter, I think my decision is made. Then again, the 33 is the same size as the 29 and won't be that much more per month, will have more power, etc... And if the Mahindra guy will match the trade-in value the Case man gave me (1500 more) as well as adjust his price to something in line with what a couple of dealers here sent me in PMs, I could get into the Mahindra for $7000, which is amazing ...... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Does this process never end?? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

DavesTractor · Mar 5, 2006

Bob,
I think your comments border on imflamatory, even though you probably don't mean them that way.

The specs are clear and honest, and generally underrated on Mahindra. When we put our hydraulic pull scale on the forward bucket edge, the Mahindras will generally lift the stated pivot pin capacity, or very close, at the leading bucket edge at full height. Keep in mind at full height with the bucket rolled back, neither the bucket center or the leading edge is much forward of the pins.

Then consider horsepower. For example, look up the S3L engine in the 2015 Mahindra and you will see that it is rated at 23 HP in every application I can find, except for our tractor, where it is rated at only 20HP. Take PTO HP, for another example, we have yet to find a 15 series (Mitsubishi built) Mahindra that will not make at least 10% over rated PTO. The 3015HST Mahindra consistently puts out 28HP at the PTO but is only rated at 24 PTO. I just point this out so you know that Mahindra does not over rate things, in fact just the contrary.

Furthermore, consider the clever (notice I did not say dishonest or misleading) marketing done by Kubota on the B series. They take a lightweight tractor with small tires, small axles, lightweight drivetrain, etc and put a high horsepower engine in it. Other than in a mowing application, the horsepower is wasted and is only there to make the tractor look bigger on paper. I admire them for this tactic. Too much horsepower doesn't hurt anything and it gets customers attention, but it does not indicate the amount of work a tractor can do. We could put a 30HP engine in our 2015 and outspec the B3030 in every regard...without changing other aspects of the current 2015 tractor. It lacks only a higher HP rating to do everything the 30HP Kubota will do, the little 2015 even outweighs the B3030. So my point on this is that Kubota is using clever marketing, and I think it is honest, but it surely could "mislead" a customer into thinking they are getting more tractor than they really are.

I guess what is really needed if a person wanted an unbiased review would be an indepentant testing resource, sort of like the Nebraska tests, but set up to spec out the compact tractors for the items most important to the compact tractor buyer. Otherwise the manufacturers will always make a big deal about the specs that make them look best. Afterall, they are selling their own product, not the competitions.

tractorman · Mar 5, 2006

I just reread my Case IH Low Rate Finance options for March to be sure and all I can find is 0% for 36 months on all Farmall Subcompact/Compact Tractors. Only the older "Non-Farmall" Case IH Compacts that are still in dealer inventory are available with the 0%/60 month fiance option.

daTeacha · Mar 5, 2006

I'm just going by what the dealer told me as he was looking at his new sheet. Could it be that different marketing zones have different programs, depending on the competition and what's showing in dealer inventory? Something like that seems logical. As he was looking over the new (red ink) changes, he mentioned that 60 months is also available on the DX24, which is out of production, but apparently sitting on someone's lot or showroom waiting to be given a home.

The main competition in the CUT market here is JD, Case, Agco, NH, Kubota and Cadet. The local Mahindra dealer is the only one in 45 miles. Kioti's closest is about 35, and YM, Branson, and a few others frequently mentioned here simply do not exist in this marketing area. The dealer explained the 60 months on the 29/33 by saying there is a replacement model in the pipeline so that series is considered out of production and they want to move them off the lots. I don't know how accurate my ideas about market differences between zones but it seems logical to me.

Anyways, I will be sure to double check on that before doing anything.

SWB · Mar 5, 2006

If I'm not mistaken, the DX29/DX33 has the joy stick mounted on the fender right next to your right hand while the DX26, if it like the previous model, may have it mounted forward on the loader. I personally like the fender mounted joystick better.

thcri · Mar 5, 2006

( If I'm not mistaken, the DX29/DX33 has the joy stick mounted on the fender right next to your right hand while the DX26, if it like the previous model, may have it mounted forward on the loader. I personally like the fender mounted joystick better. )

According to the pics it looks like they did. Big mistake in my book. I had a TC21D that had it on the loader, most uncomfortable thing on the tractor to operate. My TC29 has it on the fender and it makes a major difference in operation. It would be a color swing for me if buying now that I have had both.

murph

daTeacha · Mar 6, 2006

Mine is on the loader now, but the tractor is so small that I can reach it easily and almost steer with the right while running the loader. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I found some of the fender mounts to get in the way when getting on or off on that side, but I don't see it as making a difference either way. Whatever I get will be so far ahead of my old B7100 it will seem like magic and I should quickly adapt to it.

Bob_Skurka · Mar 6, 2006

( Bob,
I think your comments border on imflamatory, even though you probably don't mean them that way.

The specs are clear and honest, and generally underrated on Mahindra. When we put our hydraulic pull scale on the forward bucket edge, the Mahindras will generally lift the stated pivot pin capacity, or very close, at the leading bucket edge at full height. Keep in mind at full height with the bucket rolled back, neither the bucket center or the leading edge is much forward of the pins.

Then consider horsepower. For example, look up the S3L engine in the 2015 Mahindra and you will see that it is rated at 23 HP in every application I can find, except for our tractor, where it is rated at only 20HP. Take PTO HP, for another example, we have yet to find a 15 series (Mitsubishi built) Mahindra that will not make at least 10% over rated PTO. The 3015HST Mahindra consistently puts out 28HP at the PTO but is only rated at 24 PTO. I just point this out so you know that Mahindra does not over rate things, in fact just the contrary.

Furthermore, consider the clever (notice I did not say dishonest or misleading) marketing done by Kubota on the B series. They take a lightweight tractor with small tires, small axles, lightweight drivetrain, etc and put a high horsepower engine in it. Other than in a mowing application, the horsepower is wasted and is only there to make the tractor look bigger on paper. I admire them for this tactic. Too much horsepower doesn't hurt anything and it gets customers attention, but it does not indicate the amount of work a tractor can do. We could put a 30HP engine in our 2015 and outspec the B3030 in every regard...without changing other aspects of the current 2015 tractor. It lacks only a higher HP rating to do everything the 30HP Kubota will do, the little 2015 even outweighs the B3030. So my point on this is that Kubota is using clever marketing, and I think it is honest, but it surely could "mislead" a customer into thinking they are getting more tractor than they really are.

I guess what is really needed if a person wanted an unbiased review would be an indepentant testing resource, sort of like the Nebraska tests, but set up to spec out the compact tractors for the items most important to the compact tractor buyer. Otherwise the manufacturers will always make a big deal about the specs that make them look best. Afterall, they are selling their own product, not the competitions.

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Dave (and IslandTractor)

I understand what you are saying but I have to stick with what I said and simply being honest. And I disagree with you. My comments were simply honest. Historically tractor loaders were measured at "honest" and "useful" measurement points. Bucket center for the FEL and 24" behind the ball eyes for the 3pt hitch.

To measure them at the pivot point or the ball eyes is at very least a misleading practice.

Now to suggest that "MOST MANUFACTURERS" measure at the pivot point, let me counter that by saying that over 90% of the tractors sold in the US come from Kubota, Deere or New Holland. Kubota and New Holland clearly post "honest" numbers measuring at the bucket center and 24" behind the ball eyes. Deere publishes both sets of numbers, depending on the model. So while a bunch of small tractor companies may add up to "MOST" of the manufacturers, it is very safe to say that MOST OF THE TRACTORS SOLD are sold by companies that do not publish dishonest capacities.

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Dave . . . regarding your incorrect assertation about the Kubota "B" series having wasted horsepower you simply are wrong in what you think the tractor's primary uses are. They put high horsepower engines on lightweight tractors specifically because the majority of the users want light weight and higher PTO horsepower to operate implements that do not need excessive weight.

Last time I checked, a mower deck, a snow blower, a PHD and a tiller did not require a heavy machine. In fact I would not want any more weight on a tractor operating a tiller than is necessary because soil compaction reduces crop yields, even in a garden.

I will agree that a heavy tractor is good for some tasks, but the people who want "B" series Kubotas are not the people who want overweight tractors to compact their soil or rut their yards. There is plenty of room in the market for lightweight machines, and since Kubota sells almost 60% of all the compact tractors in the US, they must be doing something right! Especially since their sales are still growing.

DavesTractor · Mar 6, 2006

Bob,

You make some good points on high PTO power being useful in a lightweight machine. In some applications, it is desirable, in many others, it isn't. It depends on the primary use of the tractor. Around here, it isn't to mow lawns, although if we had a lightweight tractor, perhaps that would change some. Ours are a little heavy for mowing lawns.

We will just disagree on your "dishonest" remarks. I stand by what I said, and so do you. We can disagree and still not be disagreeable, so I guess we will leave it at that.

DavesTractor · Mar 6, 2006

daTeacha,

By the way, good luck in your decision. I didn't mean for Bob and I to take this thread away from the initial point. All the units you are looking at are good. I'd drive each and see if one fits you better. If all else is equal, go with the local dealer that you like best.