e-hydro in 5xxx series

[jenkinsph]

Quite frankly, there are always people who are willing to pay a little extra to have a tractor that is easier to operate. Just like pickup trucks, when I was a kid I couldn't see why anyone would wan't carpet in one to keep clean. Today Ford is selling the Platinum p/u's and are described as a notch above the King Ranch models. Years ago I would have never thunk it. So it would be no suprise to see an E hydro available in the 5xxx and 6xxx tractors. I think if Deere feels they are well received in the 4x20 series they will try for the 5xxx machines next. There are a lot of people who use tractors in this class for non agricultural work.

 

[Spudland_Dave]

Point is; you don't have to farm 1,000 - 10,000 acres anymore to have the $$$$ to buy a cabbed, IVT, CVT, eHydro tractor.

True....You dont need to farm at all! I'm over tractored here... I've got 64 Diesel horses here between 2 tractors to take care of my 2 acres...

I hope you know this discussion is all in good spirit...

MY point was the market...is there truly a market for a 5x machines with eHydro? I mean seriously? Think outside of the TBN box....I personally know 2 guys with 5x series SIZED machines (Not Green tractors), both spend their time doing hay work....moving bales in the field, etc.. and both owners bought that size machine because of its "bang for the buck"... When it comes down to it, those 5x series machines ARE a good deal...Seriously, you can be into a 5x series w/MFWD for about the price of a 4720 Cab?

If money isnt an object, buy a Deere 6030 Cab with the IVT...

With as long as Deere has been making the 5x series sized machines, you'd think that if there truly was a market (aside from the 5 guys on here ) for a hydro/IVT/CVT/etc.. they would offer one. Its not like putting a eHydro into one would be a big deal, for all intents & purposes Hydro's are pretty much "old tech"...

 

[Wombat125]

True....You dont need to farm at all! I'm over tractored here... I've got 64 Diesel horses here between 2 tractors to take care of my 2 acres...

Thanks Dave. You make me feel just slightly less insane for having a 64 hp tractor for 5 acres. Way overkill for the summer months, but very nice to have for moving snow.

and both owners bought that size machine because of its "bang for the buck"... When it comes down to it, those 5x series machines ARE a good deal...Seriously, you can be into a 5x series w/MFWD for about the price of a 4720 Cab?

Same hp 5xxx series is considerably cheaper than the 4xxx series. That's precisely why I went into overkill mode.

From the Deere Configurator:

$32,629 -- 4720 Open Station
$40,499 -- 4720 Cab
$24,474 -- 5065E MFWD

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[AKfish]

Oh, I know... the price for the cabbed 4000 machines is out of line when comparing it to the 5000 series machines.

I've spent alot of time on the "Build-it-yourself" to see how they compare.

But, when you get up in the "Limited" and the upper end of the M series the picture is not so clear, anymore.

Yes, Dave - this discussion is way on the other side of anything "heated". It's always a good thing to get other folk's perspectives and why they look at the question the way they do...

That said -- we all can see that people are willing to spend alot of money to get a smaller "footprint" tractor that has all the amenities. And they don't need to own a big farm, either.

What would stop buyers from buying a 5000 series machine with CVT, IVT, eHydro if it were competitively priced? How much more (or POSSIBLY less) would a 5XXX with eHydro be compared to a cabbed, 5085M with a PR 24x24 tranny (with the overdrive option)?

I'm simply saying there is a market and buyers looking for a machine to manage a small hay, livestock, row crop enterprise would GLADLY migrate to that platform versus the 4720 or a 6030.

AKfish

 

[ddivinia]

Many people these days did not grow up on manual transmission vehicles. That is a reality. Driving a tractor is enough of a change, but adding learning to "drive a stick" as many say really complicates it.

My wife finally drove the 5525 to rake hay this year and could not believe how much better it road than her 4520 cab (with a broken AC unit). Probably is she does not drive it enough to be proficient, especially if she is having to concentrate on other this like not running thru a fence, staying on line with the hay, mowing, etc.

She is wishing her 4520 had R1s due to the R4s not being that great in any mud, clay.

She also wished it had a long wheel base and weighed more so it would ride better thru the pastures.

With the major price increase from a 5525 to a 5105M, one would figure they would offer some next generation transmissions. The 5M series is essentially a 6000 in a 5000s size.

I really like the 6000s, but another 10K and they are a lot larger. It is hard to justify for ranching and haying our own place with relatively flat ground.

I have not driven a IVT 6000. Maybe I should... of course I would never get to drive it and who knows how much it would cost. A 6430 premium is a lot of money for my operation.

I wonder also if JD is going to have something in between a 5E and 5M. They don't have anything that is really comparable to the 5x25 series any more.

D.

 

[AKfish]

D. I think that Deere has tried to position the 5000 "Limited" machines as a bridge between the E series and the M tractors.

They're set up with most of the available options that you can get with the M's - but not all.

Only 1 door for the cab, no EH hitch, no Hi/lo for the tranny... a few other details, etc.

But.... the ability to work in smaller areas and maneuver with the eHydro is really a deal maker for me.

The 5083 Limited lists out around $61K with a 563 FEL and with around 20% off MSRP it's not too bad a deal.

But, I'd hate to see my fences and my corral/barn after a couple of winter's cleaning with the PR....

AKfish

 

[ddivinia]

D. I think that Deere has tried to position the 5000 "Limited" machines as a bridge between the E series and the M tractors.

They're set up with most of the available options that you can get with the M's - but not all.

Only 1 door for the cab, no EH hitch, no Hi/lo for the tranny... a few other details, etc.
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Ergonomics suck in the E and limiteds cab - all the controls are down low. I am hooked on my controls being up high.

E-hitch rocks for hooking stuff up.

hi/low - not a big deal for me.

1 door - not a big deal - can't get out that side of my 5525 anyway.

The only way to get the nicely done ergonomic cab is to get the M. It is priced so high, might as well get a 6000. Seriously - if you have to pay so much to get the ergonomics and can't swing it - might as well get a 6115D. That is probably the best value machine there is. I do wish the transmission had more gears.





But.... the ability to work in smaller areas and maneuver with the eHydro is really a deal maker for me.
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E-hydro would make me think about getting another tractor. 4520 cab would be gone for sure.




The 5083 Limited lists out around $61K with a 563 FEL and with around 20% off MSRP it's not too bad a deal.
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6115D is about the same money or find a left over 5x25.



But, I'd hate to see my fences and my corral/barn after a couple of winter's cleaning with the PR....
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Yea - might get messy.

D.

 

[jenkinsph]

While looking into the 6000 series this evening and thinking about the 4020 I used to have I would compare it to the 6100D OS and did note that it lists for about 2,000 more than I paid for the 4520cab. I think the list with weigths and telescopic links 2 wd was about $36,000.

Point is you can buy a 4520cab with all the trimmings and a stripped down 6100D for the cost of a premium 6430 cab tractor. Or put another way buy a 6100D and keep your 4520cab.

 

[ddivinia]

While looking into the 6000 series this evening and thinking about the 4020 I used to have I would compare it to the 6100D OS and did note that it lists for about 2,000 more than I paid for the 4520cab. I think the list with weigths and telescopic links 2 wd was about $36,000.

Point is you can buy a 4520cab with all the trimmings and a stripped down 6100D for the cost of a premium 6430 cab tractor. Or put another way buy a 6100D and keep your 4520cab.

I have looked that situation, but it still doesn't have any next gen trans.

I guess she might just have to like the PR!

D.

 

[AKfish]

We've been trying for several years to work a deal on the 43 acres that butts up to our place. A 5000 series machine would be a nice addition to that property - especially one that comes in around the cost of a 45-4720 cabbed machine!

But a 6000 series machine is "over-the-top" for our place - IMO.

After I get my fields planted this summer - I'll start looking more seriously. Who knows... might end up with a 5000 with the @@####??##$ PR tranny.

AKfish