E85 for American Fuel Independence !

[oldpilgrim]

The truth is in Vietnam, 85% volunteered, and only 15% were drafted. Back on topic, goodbye ethanol! Not even Iowa wants ethanol. HS

I can tell you , in my BCT at Ft Dix, it wasn't that way. I'm not disputing the report,but it wasn't that way in my experience, Army wise, anyway. I guess if you include the Navy, AF, CG, then that would definitely alter the numbers that I saw.

Ethenol sucks!

 

[Copperhead]

Well, I wouldn't say Iowa doesn't want ethanol. Many folks in Iowa makes their living producing the stuff. Unlike the many other places, we have always had a choice at most pumps of ethanol free gas or E10. And we have many other choices in some areas like E15, E20, E30, and E85. Based on pricing and cost per mile calculations, I frequently use the E15 stuff. With all those choices, most Iowans buy the ethanol blended fuels far and away more than the ethanol free stuff. Probably because we have had it around us since the mid 70's, so most of us have gotten over any paranoia about using it. Most of us don't even waste time thinking about it. Many of us do believe, however, that nothing should be shoved down anyone's throat. We are all about free choice here. In one town near me, there are 11 gas stations, and of them, all but 4 offer ethanol free gas. One of them is even the local farmer's cooperative fuel outlet. And it is similar throughout the state. There are some one horse towns that may not have the ethanol free choice, mostly because the 1 gas station they have in their small town only offers regular and premium, so they may only have E10 fuel. But those folks can easily go to another town and get ethanol free if they want to

Interesting, that the individual that has directly been involved in building the majority of ethanol plants in Iowa, David Vander Griend, so has more at stake than anyone in the game regarding ethanol, backed the winning candidate, who is for removing the RFS ethanol mandate! So the idea that Iowans involved in ethanol and farmers who grow the corn are wanting to shove all of this down anyone's throat is pure bull.

 

[dstig1]

Sorry Copperhead, but I'm going to say the thing that has been hanging over your replies to this thread, unstated. "Why is ethanol gas cheaper in Iowa?" I know the reason.... and it isn't because ethanol is cheaper to produce than gasoline from current supplies of crude oil. It is government subsidized, pure and simple. Whether it is your state or the feds is immaterial. Throw me all the Iowa stats you would like, but there is no rational way ethanol from corn is cheaper than gas in this day and age. And that is even before it dropped to $30/bbl. You have a special situation. The locals want to push ethanol, so they subsidize it. Funny thing but up here, regular gas and ethanol gas are the same price. Except some stations are starting to realize that non-ethanol is worth something extra, so they are starting to charge more. Huh. Funny that. But there is no negative to ethanol gas Riiiiiight. :laughing:

My chainsaws are working great on premium non-ethanol. Even though they have sat now about 2 years due to other priorities. I have 2 other small engines from my MILS estate that don't work at all. Difference? Ethanol gas...But it don't hurt nuthin'... Riiiight. BS

 

[dstig1]

Sorry Copperhead, but I'm going to say the thing that has been hanging over your replies to this thread, unstated. "Why is ethanol gas cheaper in Iowa?" I know the reason.... and it isn't because ethanol is cheaper to produce than gasoline from current supplies of crude oil. It is government subsidized, pure and simple. Whether it is your state or the feds is immaterial. Throw me all the Iowa stats you would like, but there is no rational way ethanol from corn is cheaper than gas in this day and age. And that is even before it dropped to $30/bbl. You have a special situation. The locals want to push ethanol, so they subsidize it. Funny thing but up here, regular gas and ethanol gas are the same price. Except some stations are starting to realize that non-ethanol is worth something extra, so they are starting to charge more. Huh. Funny that. But there is no negative to ethanol gas Riiiiiight. :laughing:

My chainsaws are working great on premium non-ethanol. Even though they have sat now about 2 years due to other priorities. I have 2 other small engines from my MILS estate that don't work at all. Difference? Ethanol gas...But it don't hurt nuthin'... Riiiight. BS

 

[Garandman]

Yeah, it makes my point. Folks will pitch a fit about something and not realize that what they want to use is just as bad as what they are fighting against. With the outrage over water use for ethanol production, we should see rioting in the streets over the newspaper and magazine industry. After all, we don't need print media now that we have the internet, right? That is the type of argument that anti ethanol folks use... we don't need it since we are swimming in crude oil.

It does make my point that folks, when they don't like something, will dream up all kinds of ways to proclaim it is the most terrible thing that has befallen mankind and will lead to the earth's destruction without realizing it is barely a blip on the radar compared to other stuff they dismiss. At least not really any worse than the gasoline they buy. We make about 14 billion gallons of ethanol in this country annually, so that equates to 42 billion gallons of water annually (no schmism, not 100 billion gallons of water). We make about 8.923 million barrels a day of finished gasoline. Roughly 42 gallons per barrel. So each day, at 2 gallons of water per gallon of gasoline, we are using almost 750 million gallons of water per day just to make gasoline, or almost 274 billion gallons of water annually. Kinda of takes the air out of the ballon of the argument that ethanol production is such a water waster.

And what the stats don't show, is that even though it takes about 3 gallons of water to make a gallon of ethanol (actually that is old data as many ethanol operations are approaching a 2.33 gallons of water per gallon of ethanol), a lot of that water is recycled. So it is not as extreme as it might seem.

Good post, Fordman

I take it from your repeated defense of these government subsidies that you are one of the beneficiaries?

 

[TomSeller]

After the Iowa election, it would be nice if a front runner would announce as part of their platform the proposed ending of the ethanol pollutant forced into gasoline. Save some big bucks.

 

[houstonscott]

After the Iowa election, it would be nice if a front runner would announce as part of their platform the proposed ending of the ethanol pollutant forced into gasoline. Save some big bucks.

Cruz did exactly that, if you payed attention. And he won in Iowa. HS

 

[Copperhead]

Sorry Copperhead, but I'm going to say the thing that has been hanging over your replies to this thread, unstated. "Why is ethanol gas cheaper in Iowa?" I know the reason.... and it isn't because ethanol is cheaper to produce than gasoline from current supplies of crude oil. It is government subsidized, pure and simple. Whether it is your state or the feds is immaterial. Throw me all the Iowa stats you would like, but there is no rational way ethanol from corn is cheaper than gas in this day and age. And that is even before it dropped to $30/bbl. You have a special situation. The locals want to push ethanol, so they subsidize it. Funny thing but up here, regular gas and ethanol gas are the same price. Except some stations are starting to realize that non-ethanol is worth something extra, so they are starting to charge more. Huh. Funny that. But there is no negative to ethanol gas Riiiiiight. :laughing:

My chainsaws are working great on premium non-ethanol. Even though they have sat now about 2 years due to other priorities. I have 2 other small engines from my MILS estate that don't work at all. Difference? Ethanol gas...But it don't hurt nuthin'... Riiiight. BS

All ethanol subsidies were eliminated in the Federal Budget after 2011. Not sure how folks are still on the "subsidized" bandwagon unless they are purely wanting to avoid the facts. The only "subsidies" or grants that have been made available since 2011 has been for ethanol blending pumps that allow a user to get various blends from E10 thru E85. Those are RETAILER grants and not ethanol grants, as the ethanol producers do not run retail outlets. Your outrage over ethanol has clouded your reasoning. You need counseling.

 

[Copperhead]

Sorry Copperhead, but I'm going to say the thing that has been hanging over your replies to this thread, unstated. "Why is ethanol gas cheaper in Iowa?" I know the reason.... and it isn't because ethanol is cheaper to produce than gasoline from current supplies of crude oil. It is government subsidized, pure and simple. Whether it is your state or the feds is immaterial. Throw me all the Iowa stats you would like, but there is no rational way ethanol from corn is cheaper than gas in this day and age. And that is even before it dropped to $30/bbl. You have a special situation. The locals want to push ethanol, so they subsidize it. Funny thing but up here, regular gas and ethanol gas are the same price. Except some stations are starting to realize that non-ethanol is worth something extra, so they are starting to charge more. Huh. Funny that. But there is no negative to ethanol gas Riiiiiight. :laughing:

My chainsaws are working great on premium non-ethanol. Even though they have sat now about 2 years due to other priorities. I have 2 other small engines from my MILS estate that don't work at all. Difference? Ethanol gas...But it don't hurt nuthin'... Riiiight. BS

All ethanol subsidies were eliminated in the Federal Budget after 2011. Not sure how folks are still on the "subsidized" bandwagon unless they are purely wanting to avoid the facts. The only "subsidies" or grants that have been made available since 2011 has been for ethanol blending pumps that allow a user to get various blends from E10 thru E85. Those are RETAILER grants and not ethanol grants, as the ethanol producers do not run retail outlets. Your outrage over ethanol has clouded your reasoning. You need counseling. If a state wants to subsidize something, and it is not your state, why would you even be concerned? You're not paying for what another state does within it's boundaries. I could give a rip what another state does.

Now, we have been using ethanol blends in Iowa since the 70's. If it were such a terrible thing, no one would buy it, especially since we have freedom of choice in Iowa and can get ethanol free gas any day, all year round. Yet, ethanol blended gasoline outsells E0 gas by several margins. All of my small engines up thru all my vehicles have gotten E10 frequently and I have never experienced a fuel related problem in any of them for several decades. But then, I practice sound fuel storage methodology. If I know a particular piece of equipment is going to sit for an extended period of time, I drain the fuel system and run out the carburetor and fog the cylinder(s). Doesn't matter if the fuel had ethanol or not. Ethanol free gas also creates gums and varnishes that can mess up fuel systems, so even ethanol free gas is not without it's own problems.

But, like I have always said, if ethanol causes you so much grief, then don't buy it! We all win! You avoid it, and I use it, and we both sleep well at night.