eicher? zetor?

Soundguy · Sep 27, 2005

Any info on these tractors?

I have an eicher dealer a ways downt he road. plan on stopping by. These air cooled engines? How do they compair with other 'non' big 3 brands?

thanks

soundguy

Chipperman · Sep 27, 2005

Soundguy
You should find there is no comparision between Eicher and Zetor. Zetor is head and shoulders above it. But do not take my word for it. Take a look and let us know what you think.
Happy Tractoring
Chipperman /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
PS: I am not saying Eicher is a bad tractor.

jaroban · Sep 28, 2005

I have a coworker that has an Eicher tractor . I have used it several times. It is two wheel drive around 35 hp . It is a good tractor for the money. Robby

jaroban · Sep 28, 2005

Have you seen anything on this forum about Eicher tractors? I did a search and came up empty. Are we spelling Eicher correct? Robby

Soundguy · Sep 28, 2005

I think so.. I hit their website .. looks indian...

No info I can find though... dealer hasn't emailed me back yet.

I'm looking for something with a little more quality ( perhaps wrong word? ) than a jinma.. and again.. expect to pay just a few more dollars for that.. etc... as a 2nd mid size tractor.

I've also heard that air cooled engines may not be as fuel efficient.. something to do with using a bit extra fuel vaporization to 'cool' things down.

anyone / info?

Soundguy

California · Sep 28, 2005

( seen anything on this forum about Eicher tractors?)

Here's a thread on Eicher of India that I started last year. I don't know if the Eichers sold here are the same models.

Eicher Thread

bluechip · Sep 28, 2005

We considered Eicher 2 years ago, I too was looking for a bigger, better low cost tractor to complement our chinese lines. Several lookers, but most walked when they heard air cooled. Me I kinda like the idea, no water pumps, radiator hoses, etc. easy to clean screens. but I just couldn't find a buyer for the one they were good enough to consign to me. It was a rugged, if outdated, design, had a great sounding engine. AG Equipment in Tennesee was distributing the Eichers in USA. I have heard that the factory in India is now part of TAFE so not sure if Distruibution has or will change. We ended up adding FARMTRAC because I felt the Ford heritage might be better reiceived than the German Eicher Air cooled heritage. Pricing was pretty competitive at the time.

Soundguy · Sep 29, 2005

Yep.. air cooled doesn't scare me either. heck.. wouldn't mind a duetz if I needed a big tractor.

Course now that I have already shelle dout big $$ to get a 90hp Nh tractor and 10' mower.. I now see a few people selling large deutz in the 80-110 hp range with 15' mowers for like.. 8500$.. day late and a dollar short i guess.

Any ideas on the fuel usage issues on the air cooled units?.. I had heard that they used a tad more fuel than liquid cooled?

How was the $/hp compaired with.. say.. jinma?

Soundguy

ZJ_HR · Oct 11, 2005

WRONG!!!
Air cooled diesels are more fuel efficient then liquid cooled. They burn hotter and have bigger thermal difference betwen max and min temp (Carnough diagram).
Jut run LOUDer then liquid cooled.

Cooling is not a problem, as I hardly warm up my air/oil cooled SAME tractor.

Soundguy · Oct 11, 2005

( Cooling is not a problem )

Never said it was.

After researching deutz a bit.. i do find they are stingy on fuel usage. saw a poster that said "if you can find a tractor to use less fuel than a deutz...BUY it!"

Soundguy

jaroban · Oct 14, 2005

Do you know where a person might get parts for an Eicher tractor? My secretary has one and is having a bit of trouble getting parts. Thanks in advance for the info, Robby

Mac624 · Oct 16, 2005

I still don´t know anything about the indian Eichers, they had been offered here, but it didn´t look as anyone has been sold here. Even chinese tractors aren´t the big sellers in Germany.
About fuel efficency, Yes the older aircooled engines (Deutz FL 514 or MWM from 50´and 60´) needed more fuel, but today this is solved. If I had to choose between an indian Eicher or a Zetor I would choose the zetor ( Yes ZJ, Doc would love me for that /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) but a Eicher dealer a mile away would make me thinking about buying one, if I need a cheap tractor, even when Jinma dealer was only 1/2 a mile away.
The indian tractors have a better quality, from what I´ve heard then the chinese ones.

ZJ_HR · Oct 17, 2005

No, don't know anything about Indian Eicher. German Eicher was OK, are have even some fan clubs there.

ZJ_HR · Oct 17, 2005

Mac,
If my knowledge is good, older Deutz motors had indirect injection, and were more thirsty.
Nothing wrong with Zetor, as with any other if you know weak things about them, and try to avoid it (brakes, for example). I remember time when you're looking for Z7211, and allmost became Doc's buddy /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

We have offer of TAFE for over 10 years, when was shortage to IMT tractors. Seems good basic tractors. I remember time when IMT has cooperation with TAFE, about 25y ago.Nothing wrong with them.
Seems that Indian products are solid built, with good material and I'll not avoid them, when I'll avoid Chineese tractors in biiig arc. Just my opinion.

Super92 · Oct 22, 2005

For jaroban, if your friend is needing Eicher parts they can choose from these Texas dealers.
http://www.agequipmentusa.com/agequipmentusa/eicher/storelist.asp?State=TX

kevanos · Dec 14, 2005

There haven't been very many Eicher sold in the USA, but they have been here for a number of years, but only a couple of models have been offered. I think some of the Indian models look better than what they offer here.

Eicher (India) began in 1948 from a tie-up with the German Eicher company. (The German Eicher was sold to Massey Ferguson in 1973, ceased production in 1984, and was sold to Dromson which now build specialised Eicher tractors for vineyards and such). Eicher (India) builds a model in collaboration with Valtra which looks very good, probably their best, the 6100. TAFE has purchased Eicher (India) as of 2005. (Interesting note, Valtra is now owned by AGCO, and Tafe is 24% owned by AGCO).

Mac624 · Dec 25, 2005

I know, I´m getting a bit of topic now, but there are some things that have to be corrected:
Yes, Eicher India in former Years was a part of Eicher Germany, but Eicher India (Eicher Goodearth Inc.) wasn´t founded in 1948, in that year Eicher introduced their first tractor after ww II, the EKL 15 with 15 hp.
eicher never was Part of MF, they only had Cooperation with them. Eicher sold the vineyard tractors to MF with MF tinwork and Eicher engines. Eicher sold Eichers with Eicher tinwork and Perkins engines, so they had both, Eicher engines ( range 30..) and Perkins (range 40..) .So i. E. the 3072 was a 72 hp tractor with the Eicher engine and the 4072 a 72 hp with Perkins. The 4072 was more or less a MF 575 only with Eicher design.

slowrev · Dec 27, 2005

I have a friend that has a Zetor. He loves it and claims it has a JD engine on it. Not real sure about that though. It does have an air compressor, handy for airing up tires and blowing chaff out of the radiator.

Ben

Mac624 · Jan 4, 2006

Ben,

Your friend is right with that, some Zetors had been sold as JD.
I´m not sure if Zetors had been equivalent to the Zetor/JD, could be possible.

Even some Renault have been painted in green and yellow.