Electric or Surge brakes? Opinions ? Experiences?

   / Electric or Surge brakes? Opinions ? Experiences? #11  
With electric brakes you can apply brakes even if trailer is not straight behind the tow vehicle. On a slippery road if trailer starts to fish tail it can be pulled back behind tow vehicle by manually applying brakes with controller. When a trailer with surge brake is not straight behind tow vehicle brakes will not be applied at full load.
 
   / Electric or Surge brakes? Opinions ? Experiences? #12  
We have an old trailer on the farm made from dump truck axles and a lot of steel. I don't know how much the beast weighs, but I know its heavy. It was used to haul a backhoe from jobsite to jobsite and came equipped with surge brakes on both axles. The surge brakes were a PITA.

Maybe surge brakes have gotten better in the last 15 years, I don't know. I do know we finally disabled the brakes and relagated the trailer to farm use only. Now all it usually does it pick the jumps up out of the field or other light work. With the price of metal today, I might be able to scrap it for more then I paid for it...

Anyway, from my experience, surge brakes are very imprecise and can give one a very 'jerky' ride. They've probably gotten better, but I'll stick to electric brakes on my trailers from now on.
 
   / Electric or Surge brakes? Opinions ? Experiences? #13  
Go with the heavier axles and E rated tires. I just had a trailer made, and I would def. suggest electric brakes also. going down a grade at highway speeds with a load, you can apply the brakes on the trailer only to stop trailer sway, also a Jordan brake controller is the way to go for the braking, it connects with your brake pedal to allow trailer braking with your tow vehicle at the same level of desired braking force. it also allows for a trailer braking backup if for some reason you lose brakes on the tow rig. Also throw on some extra D-rings for tie down locations for all the weird stuff that you WILL haul, but havent thought of yet (trailer owners make new friends very fast /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) While you are at it, rub rails for attaching rathcet straps are very handy, and so are removable fenders for real low cars (you can open the doors), wide odd loads (nonrunning antique tractors) and when they get beat up with rocks etc, you can buy a new set of fenders only and they look great again.
 
   / Electric or Surge brakes? Opinions ? Experiences? #14  
Here is a pic to give you an idea. It has electric disc brakes on each axle, E rated 31" tires, running boards because it is tall from the tires, rub rail and extra D rings, side crank 10k jack, spare and mount. I also got removable aluminum fenders so no rust, and easy to replace. The traile is 22' total with a 2' tail, and side load ramps so they wont shoot out the back if I forget to pin them for storage. It is rated for 14k and weighs 3200 empty. My truck is rated for 13500 so I can pull 10k and still be legal and safe all the way around.
 

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   / Electric or Surge brakes? Opinions ? Experiences? #15  
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   / Electric or Surge brakes? Opinions ? Experiences? #16  
last one, didnt mean to hijack the thread, sorry if I have stepped on anybody's toes, just wanted to help a fella out.
 

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   / Electric or Surge brakes? Opinions ? Experiences? #17  
Go with electric brakes and a good controller. I've towed quite a few different large boats with both types of brakes (tandem axles), and the electric brakes have four advantages:

1) You can "tune" electric brakes to the load and the conditions. Not so much braking that the wheels lock up, and but just enough that you can feel the trailer slow your tow vehicle. This is a warm fuzzy.

2) You can test electric brakes without hitting the brakes on your tow vehicle. The cheap controller ($40?) I have has a test button. I assume that most or all controllers do.

3) Electric brakes don't engage when backing up a hill. Surge brakes do. PITA! Yes, you can defeat this by locking the brake mechanism, but I always forget to. Then I always forget to unlock it (which is dangerous).

4) Electric brakes work even if your trailer isn't parallel to your direction of travel.

-nosualc
 
   / Electric or Surge brakes? Opinions ? Experiences? #18  
Unless you have actually weighed that equipment, I suspect you will find another 500 or so pounds appears from things like fuel, R4 tires, tie down chains, binders, the herkin WD hitch, etc. So you are best to assume 6000 lbs of equipment.

An equipment trailer, especially custom made, and worth its salt will weigh more than 2000# for a 7000# 20 footer. That includes a spare and leaves you with 5000# of cargo to be on the ragged edge of the trailers capacity.

I too tow with a half ton GM product. The newer ones have very high tow ratings, like 7-8000+#s so it will likely handle the weight. Just because you buy a 10,000 lb trailer does not mean it will weigh 10,000. It just means that you are not pushing your 7000# trailer to the max and beyond.

I have just purchased a 10,000# trailer for about the same type of cargo weight. See attached pic and look at my recent thread for other folks' input. The 5200# axles put the 3500# version to shame. Also, compare your custom made price to the 3100$ I spent and see if you are gettin more trailer. I feel that I got a good deal without having to chew the salesman down at all.

1) You will overload the 7000# trailer. The 10,000 version is not much more money. This is a safety thing.

2) Always get electric brakes unless you are building a salt water type boat trailer. Very adjustable, dependable, and effective. There is a reason that almost every RV out there uses ebrakes.

3) If a trailer needs four wheels is needs four brakes. Do it. Another safety thing.

4) I made a new number. Get slide in ramps and not flip ups. When your implement hangs off the back the flip ups won't flip up.

5) The marks of a good trailer are one with no angle iron, removable wood boards in the deck, and recessed lights.

I was amazed that some manufacturers actually welded chunks of steel to trap the wooden deck boards in place so that they wouldn't have to screw them down. Great until you need to replace a board.

The brake controller of choice by a large margin in the RV world in the Tekonsha prodigy. I own the tekonsha voyager which is the next step down. It works just fine and has never let me down. The prodigy is a digital one and supposed to be the cat's meow.

I am about a half step ahead of you with a trailer today and a tractor tomorrow. Enjoy and don't feel bad about buying quality equipment when it involves safety.
 

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   / Electric or Surge brakes? Opinions ? Experiences? #19  
My 18' 7500# GVW trailer weighs 1950 pounds just for a point of reference...
 
   / Electric or Surge brakes? Opinions ? Experiences? #20  
Another option for a brake controller is the BrakeSmart. You can find more info here: BrakeSmart It is the top of the line brake controller on the market, but they are in the process of changing production subcontractors.
 

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