Electric Winch Advice

   / Electric Winch Advice #21  
I have an off brand 12,000 lbs winch on my jeep (Vortex I think) It's very powerful, but It uses ALOT of power. I have 2 batteries and still have to winch a few feet, then wait for the alternator to charge. For a tractor I think maybe a hydraulic or pto driven winch would be better, but prolly more money? I've never priced them. Maybe you could convert an old wrecker winch? (Running off the pto)
 
   / Electric Winch Advice #22  
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   / Electric Winch Advice #23  
I had a champion 2000 on a B6200 (which weighed about 2000#) and it wouldn't even pull the tractor on solid ground with the e-brake on. I ended up snaping the cable and returned it.
 
   / Electric Winch Advice #24  
Just remember a winch is rated on the first roll of cable on the drum , every layer of cable after that drasticaly reduces the line pull .

If you have long wheel studs you can make a pair of winch drums like i built for my 4X4 . They have flat plates on the end of the drums which have the wheel stud holes drilled in them . They are simply fitted over the excess stud and a second set of nuts fitted . A cable from one drum to a tree , through a snatch block and back to the other drum will pull you out of any bog . I put the Hilux in this hole on purpose to test them , i left the front hubs in 2X4 but used low ratio in the transfer box . Selected reverse and idled out of the hole . I had more pics but can't find them at the moment .
 
   / Electric Winch Advice #26  
I bought a norse 290 for my tractor and their is no electric winch I have ever seen that can compare. $1995 with drive shaft ready to go with three chokers. Faster and more cable.
 
   / Electric Winch Advice #27  
Just found a couple more pics . I must add that the winch drums are only fitted when needed and not left on .

Iron Horse,

Do you have any close up picks of your set up?
 
   / Electric Winch Advice #28  
Good info in this thread. I think most is already said just want to add some things based on my experience in offroading competitions.

A typical winch will draw 500 -650 A, that makes that a 100Ah battery will last you 9.2 minutes in theory. Reality nevertheless will leave you with about 2 to 3 minutes of effective power. (due to battery behaviour at these loads)

The problem with this is that once the battery gets weak your winchmotor will burn out.

The winch consumes an amount of power or watts to do its labour (x horsepower represent y Kw), the result is a current, not the other way around. As P=UxI (powerconsumption in Watt = voltage x current ) the voltage drop with an empty battery will cause the current to rise and burn the motor windings.

Why it will harm your electrical system of the tractor:

When the battery runs out of power the load will shift to the alternator. The alternator is not made for loads this big and the spikes will fry the regulator. If that one goes the alternator can give spikes in tension and current to your tractor electrics with eventual damage as a result.

An alternator load rating means nothing more that it can be loaded with eg 60A of users, Not that it can only deliver 60A, If you ask more than its rating it will try to deliver and cook itself.

A fact that is overlooked a lot of times is that for charging a battery you need about 1/10th of its Ah rating. The battery will simply not absorb more. So a 100Ah empty battery needs 10h of charging at around 10A. You can connect a source that can deliver 35A, it will only take 10A.

So running a 100 or 60 Amp alternator makes no difference, it only changes the working time of the winch by a fraction (seconds). Heavy alternators only makes sense when having multiple batteries as this heavy alternator will allow to full-power charge the multiple batteries while running all normal electrics of your tractor.
It would only make sense to upgrade to a 650A alternator which would supply the winch with full power. (and then no batteries needed)

For your own and tractors sake, never install a winch without a high power battery cut-off switch. A short circuit motor will set things on fire quite rapidly and the only way to stop it is cutting battery power. I guarantee you dont have the time to find your key to unbolt the battery terminal.

As an alternative electrical winch choice you can go for a worm driven which, They are slower but "only" draw about 350A at full load pull. These winches are by the worm drive fully braked and can therefore be used to hold a load and lower loads. (planetary winches have a separate brake system that wears out and is not effective under high load. Dont ask how i know but going down backwards an almost vertical slope is not funny that i can tell you) They also dont get as hot (because of less current) so can work "all day")

Look at my powerplatform thread where i am building a 3pt winch platform with own batteries and generator, so separate from my tractor electrics based on a worm drive Husky winch.

If you need the winch for work i would suggest only 3 types:
electrical: worm driven
Hydraulic
or
Mechanical forestry winch

Hope this is useful info.


:)
 
   / Electric Winch Advice #29  
Iron Horse,

Do you have any close up picks of your set up?

G'day , yes i have just taken 3 to show you . It has been sitting outside for some years so pardon it's condition . It is drilled for 5 stud F100 and 6 stud Toyota , you will always have 4 Siamese holes doing this . It would need to be heavier for a tractor . The hole is for the rope , simply push it into the hole 6 inches , wrap around the drum two times and it stays in place with no clamps . The rope/strap must be wound so that it exits the drum from the bottom , it MUST be passed through a pulley block and back to the opposite drum . It will pull as much as a 4X4 can twist in low range which is plenty . You leave the vehicle in 2X4 so that the vehicle does not get traction and over run the winches causing slack cable . You could even make a pair using old wheel rims .
 
   / Electric Winch Advice #30  
A fact that is overlooked a lot of times is that for charging a battery you need about 1/10th of its Ah rating. The battery will simply not absorb more. So a 100Ah empty battery needs 10h of charging at around 10A. You can connect a source that can deliver 35A, it will only take 10A.

I'd have to question that- my charger will easily pump 25+ amps into a weak 100AH battery. It is a 3 stage charger. :)

I think it is advisable to charge at a low rate when possible for maximum battery life but the battery certainly can accept a much higher charge than 1/10th its rating....
 

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