electrical relays

[lpakiz]

If you want a simpler example of the how and why of a relay, look no farther than the key switch on your car.
Would you want to run the positive battery cable up thru the steering column, thru your key switch, then back down to the starter?
No, the key switch is merely the trigger for a relay that carries a much larger amount of current.
In the 70s, Ford vehicles had a relay under the hood on the passenger side fender. The key controlled it.
There were, in effect, 3 pin, in that the big battery cable supplied the draw-in coil as well as the supply current for the starter.

 

[ranchito]

Hey here is a three terminal relay:View attachment 728079

And the switch at terminal 3 could actually be part of a computer circuit. It is common in automotive control modules to use ground switching.

 

[tmeric7]

I use a battery and continuity tester (multimeter) to test relays. I didn't see any mention of this... sorry if I missed it. I figured this is the common method.

 

[jaxs]

I don’t understand the comments about 3 pin relays being rare.

I do,the comments are kindling for the fire of never ending debate and I said so in post #10. If you carefully read OP's first post,he ask's for information and explination of RELAY TESTERS and didn't ask for explination of how or why relays work. There isn't nor never was such thing as RELAY TESTERS and as I stated "anyone selling one is a con artist". As I suspected,people jumped on a chance to strut and preen by delving into theory of electricity which require's a library to fully understand. Electrical lend's itself to this back and forth,on and on because there are so many specialized fields and no single person is trained or understand's more than one or two fields. A master electrician doesn't understand dipole and ham operator understand's far less than electrician about temp poles. Duplex mean's one thing to ham and something intirly different to electrician. Undouptedly a ham could add a light switch or outlet that is safe but not neccessarly to code. This apply's to the countless fields so when specialty A make's a statment related to field D,specialty C & E can refute or at least minimumize A. And the beat go's on with first one then another stepping out to show how smart they are.
Ok,back to the relay races.

 

[quarencia]

There isn't nor never was such thing as RELAY TESTERS and as I stated "anyone selling one is a con artist".

umm…what’s this? Amazon.com: Electronic Specialties 190 Relay Buddy Automotive Relay Tester : Tools & Home Improvement

We could certainly debate the usefulness of the relay tester linked above, but to say they don’t exist or they’re a con is wrong. There are many others out there that work as they are intended. I don’t see the point of them given how easily a relay can be tested with a multimeter, but to each his own.

 

[tennmogger]

That relay tester is a duplicate of the one I have from Matco, model RB192, for which I paid more than twice the price. Hmmm. So, is the red one a knockoff, or is my white one a high markup namebrand, smile, probably. Either way, the tester is very handy. I have 4 trucks that use 12v relays in 4 and five pin config, and 24 volt relays of same config. I tested a couple of dozen relays today is a short time. Well worth the price of the tester. Btw, found 2 bad ones that now won't come back to haunt me.

 

[jaxs]

umm…what’s this? Amazon.com: Electronic Specialties 190 Relay Buddy Automotive Relay Tester : Tools & Home Improvement

umm... that's a gimmick device sold by a shyster to people that don't know the difference. HERE'S a few more that might interest you.

 

[detter]

LouNY had it correct. I've used these before. The case is the ground

 

[Snaker]

I do,the comments are kindling for the fire of never ending debate and I said so in post #10. If you carefully read OP's first post,he ask's for information and explination of RELAY TESTERS and didn't ask for explination of how or why relays work. There isn't nor never was such thing as RELAY TESTERS and as I stated "anyone selling one is a con artist". As I suspected,people jumped on a chance to strut and preen by delving into theory of electricity which require's a library to fully understand. Electrical lend's itself to this back and forth,on and on because there are so many specialized fields and no single person is trained or understand's more than one or two fields. A master electrician doesn't understand dipole and ham operator understand's far less than electrician about temp poles. Duplex mean's one thing to ham and something intirly different to electrician. Undouptedly a ham could add a light switch or outlet that is safe but not neccessarly to code. This apply's to the countless fields so when specialty A make's a statment related to field D,specialty C & E can refute or at least minimumize A. And the beat go's on with first one then another stepping out to show how smart they are.
Ok,back to the relay races.

Don't know what your deal is. You come on a thread (multiple posts) and whine-complain about the thread. And then blow smoke about something you know nothing about. I have worked with relay testers for years, they DO exist.

 

[Snaker]

umm…what’s this? Amazon.com: Electronic Specialties 190 Relay Buddy Automotive Relay Tester : Tools & Home Improvement

We could certainly debate the usefulness of the relay tester linked above, but to say they don’t exist or they’re a con is wrong. There are many others out there that work as they are intended. I don’t see the point of them given how easily a relay can be tested with a multimeter, but to each his own.

I don’t understand the comments about 3 pin relays being rare. They’re quite common. They’re all over the place. Just Google it. Flasher relays, horn relays, etc. Used all over the place in automotive, industrial, electronics, appliances, etc. In the general case, a three pin relay is just a Single Pole Single Throw (SPST) relay in which the load and coil share a common pin (See picture below). I’ve seen & used both NO and NC varieties. The advantages of a three pin relay are lower relay cost and you only have one common/ground connection out of the relay. Three pin relays are used less often than 4 and 5 pin relays so you don’t see them much in aftermarket because manufactures churn out 4 and 5 pin at such low cost. But for an OE buying large quantities, when a 3 pin can be used, it lowers manufacturing cost.

As for a relay tester, I suppose you could have one for the standard automotive relay form factors (Standard ISO, mini ISO & Micro ISO terminal footprints), but there’s an almost infinite variety of relay footprints out there and I don’t think a universal relay tester would be practical. Even in the ISO relay footprints, there are thousands of non-standard internal wiring configurations that would be cost prohibitive to build a tester to test them all.


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picture from this article on relays…Relay article

Exactly.
Relay testers aren't designed as universal, one fits all. Just too many sizes and shapes
A tester is designed for a very few model/types of relay, often only one.
But if the user is working with dozens or hundreds of that relay, then its worth it.

 

[DutchInNZ]

This seems silly to me. You close the switch to energize the coil and closes the contact which then supplies voltage to the load. Why not just have the switch in place the the relay contact? Hmmmmm, I'm sure there must be a reason but it escapes me at this time.

If you want to find out why relays are used as current amplifiers, in your car pull a size 00 cable from the + of the battery to a 300-Amp dashboard pushbutton switch and from there another 00 cable to the thick positive connection on the starter motor and hope that particularly in winter you don't lose too much voltage over that length of cable.

 

[LittleBill21]

I do,the comments are kindling for the fire of never ending debate and I said so in post #10. If you carefully read OP's first post,he ask's for information and explination of RELAY TESTERS and didn't ask for explination of how or why relays work. There isn't nor never was such thing as RELAY TESTERS and as I stated "anyone selling one is a con artist". As I suspected,people jumped on a chance to strut and preen by delving into theory of electricity which require's a library to fully understand. Electrical lend's itself to this back and forth,on and on because there are so many specialized fields and no single person is trained or understand's more than one or two fields. A master electrician doesn't understand dipole and ham operator understand's far less than electrician about temp poles. Duplex mean's one thing to ham and something intirly different to electrician. Undouptedly a ham could add a light switch or outlet that is safe but not neccessarly to code. This apply's to the countless fields so when specialty A make's a statment related to field D,specialty C & E can refute or at least minimumize A. And the beat go's on with first one then another stepping out to show how smart they are.
Ok,back to the relay races.

Can I have some of whatever it is your smoking. relay testers certainly exist and I use them in auto motive testing regularly. i have also linked one

Man the hill people die on anymore. What happened to people who refuse to change their opinion after being provided evidence to the contrary. I have learned so much after learning I was an idiot :-0

 

[Kubota-guy1911]

This seems silly to me. You close the switch to energize the coil and closes the contact which then supplies voltage to the load. Why not just have the switch in place the the relay contact? Hmmmmm, I'm sure there must be a reason but it escapes me at this time.

A relay allows a small or compact switch to control a heavy load that needs big contacts. Think of an ignition switch closing a circuit to energize the starter solenoid. The solenoid is a form of relay too.

 

[ArlyA]

I love relays and use them to control actuators on snow implements. This is the setup we use. In 15 years of use, never had one of these 30amp versions fail. (don't use the limit switches shown here)

 

[Snaker]

A relay allows a small or compact switch to control a heavy load that needs big contacts. Think of an ignition switch closing a circuit to energize the starter solenoid. The solenoid is a form of relay too.

Absolutely.
And the control doesn't even have to be a switch.
A relay can be controlled by sensors: temp, moisture, prox, etc
One relay can be controlled by another relay
Contactors (big relays) can have whole circuits controlling.
You can do all kinds of stuff with relays

 

[LouNY]

Absolutely.
And the control doesn't even have to be a switch.
A relay can be controlled by sensors: temp, moisture, prox, etc
One relay can be controlled by another relay
Contactors (big relays) can have whole circuits controlling.
You can do all kinds of stuff with relays

There was a reason programmable controllers used something called ladder logic;
every function in them was copied from relays and every function was doable with relays.
I would hate to have and try and add up all 8 and 11 pin octal relay bases I had wired up.
Then start throwing in time delay to operate relays and timed to drop out one shots and wrap arounds
even counters and momentary pulse relays.
It could be interesting troubleshooting many of those old systems.
Then we had all the interposing relays to use on the I/O's of programmable controllers.

 

[jaxs]

Piece of cake with a relay tester,or so I heard.