Electrical Service Question

   / Electrical Service Question #21  
OK, I need a main breaker in the subpanel at the house. Someone mentioned I had a problem on the utility pole. On the utility pole, I have the meter and 200 amp disconnect. I will wire from the 200 amp disconnect to a 200 amp main lug using a wire with the correct ampacity--no problem here is there? In the main lug I will install circuit protection for the feeder to the house. What type of wire should I use from the main lug on the utility pole to the house? Thanks.


sorry, im a little confused on your terminology. By saying your going to a main lug next to the 200 amp main disconnect, do you mean a main lug panel with spaces for breakers????. Are there breaker spaces available on the current main disconnect??

Do you have any pictures???

then i could try to help with some answers.:)
 
   / Electrical Service Question
  • Thread Starter
#22  
There are no spaces on the disconnect which the utility company installed for me. That's why I'm planning on using the main lug, in order to get multiple feeders out to house and barn.
 
   / Electrical Service Question #23  
There are no spaces on the disconnect which the utility company installed for me. That's why I'm planning on using the main lug, in order to get multiple feeders out to house and barn.


Ok , so i take it your planning on adding a main lug PANEL next to the disconnect and piping into the panel to feed from the 200 amp disconnect.

If this is correct, then you need to add a breaker in the new panel that is sized accordingly to the wires you plan on running to the house/shop.

For a 100 amp service youll need a 100 amp 2 pole breaker and at minimun a #2 alum feeder wire to the house panel. You'll need two (2) #2 for power and one (1) #4 for neutral and one (1) #6 for the ground.
 
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  • Thread Starter
#24  
Thanks gr, Do I bond the neutral and ground at the main lug panel? What type of wire should I use, eg USE or SER?
 
   / Electrical Service Question #25  
Thanks gr, Do I bond the neutral and ground at the main lug panel? What type of wire should I use, eg USE or SER?

Yes, bond them in the panel on the pole. Any other panels from this box would become sub-panels and they would not be bonded together.

gr or someone else should be able to answer your wire type....I just don't know.
 
   / Electrical Service Question #26  
200 feet is a pretty good distance. i recently did what was final length i want to say 150 feet.

i ran from house to shed.
--electrical pole by road,
--to house to 200amp meter,
--then to 200amp main panel inside house, that has multi break locations for outlets and lights, ac in the house plus... (see next line)
--i then have a 100 amp break in it.
--then ran 150 feet to shed
--in shed i have another break panel that has a main 100amp break in it.
--from here i ran all the lights and outlets to the breaker panel in the shed.

for you....
--electrical pole by road
--to utility pole in yard
--200amp meter
--200amp disconnect
--200amp main panel (lug, or how ever you want to state it)on the utilty pole. with min of 2 spots on it. 1 breaker spot 100amps for house, and another spot 100amps for shed. i should correct that i think you also need 200amp main breaker in this panel / lug. ((someone correct me plz))
--from one of the 100amp breakers run wires that can handle 100amps to house.

at later date, run from the other 100amp breaker. on pole with 100amp or better rated wires to shed. and install 100amp panel in the shed.

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for me, i found out that copper vs aluminum was just a few bucks, when i say few under 40 bucks. aluminum you need to use a bigger size wire than copper. and for me that ment an easier pull of wires ((had a few bends i had to pull wire through. i think the difference actually came out to be 3 to 10 bucks final difference once figuring out cost of pipe and fittings. between using copper vs aluminum pipe. and if figuring out rating i think for me the copper came out to be less voltage drop vs aluminum due to ratings of the wire i was able to get at a local supply warehouse were a tad different.

((note)) call local supply warehouses. menards, lowes, homedepot cost was almost 2 to 3 times more!! savings of a couple hundred bucks!! for same type of wire. i also passed on the multi combo wire. it was like a buck more per foot than buying everything together in a combo single wire strand.

it was fairly simple to pull wire through a pipe. i did the initial digging of trench putting in the pipe with sand for me (some rough dirt that was going back in)

the wire i bought was all individual strands of wire. and not all combined and woven together. into a single long wire. so i dragged all the wires out side. and unrolled them all. i went back with eletrical tape and every 3 feet or so. i put a piece a tape a couple times around all the wires. clear down the entire length. i then wound all the wire back up. and took back into the shed.

from there, i got some light weight string, (nylon string) and tied a rag onto it. then went back into house hooked up shop vac with a peice of tape to end of pipe. and sucked string through. once that was through, i used i want to say a #12 stranded copper wire and pulled it through using the nylon rope. i then tied the #12 wire to the bundle of wires i had all taped up. i then got a large bowl out and emptied a bottle of "wire pulling" lube into bowl. my mom wiped the wire down as i pulled the wire through the pipe. within a short time it was all pulled through without to much fuss.

the actual fuss i had. was inside the house. and trying to route the wire through some 90's ((i had to cut a couple 90's out and install some wire pulling 90's in ((the 90's the sides of them unscrew off to allow access to the wire inside of the 90 so you can pull / push the wires through the 90)). so i could route the wire to the main panel in the house.
 
   / Electrical Service Question #27  
ser is service entrance wire and is suposed to be above ground use only.

URD is direct burial wire and can also be run in conduit.

Copper wire is over 2-3 times the cost of aluminum wire right now. Copper scrap prices are the highest they have ever been. I used to get 12/2 romex for $100/1000 feet a few years ago. Now its $337/1000.

2/0 copper is about $4/ft whereas 4/0 alum is a little ove $1.50 currently here in Idaho. Both are rated for 200 amps
 

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