Emission Standards for Small Diesel's

[jmainel1]

My Massey dealer tells me there will be significant price increases for an emission standard upgrade coming next year. This was one of the reasons I chose to upgrade my Massey Ferguson GC2310 now to a GC1710TLB. I did some research and did find a tier 4 standard for 2013 that requires motors less than 25 hp have a 10x reduction in particulate matter and 50% reduction in NOx. I would assume now he is correct. I'm no rocket scientist but I am a volunteer fireman and served on a few truck committees to spec new fire trucks, that experience tells me this all translates into higher costs to us the consumer. We had major problems with Detroit Diesels after the 1st go around with the emissions upgrade. And the bottom line is all these regulations they put out are killing the engine companies...they can't put out a good product because of it! I have an '08 Ford Diesel and was thinking of trading up, now it looks like I might be going back to a gas engine. If anyone has any info on this, its greatly appreciated...

FYI...Navistar stock dropped 7% yesterday, the president of the company blames excessive right offs due to warranty claims on their new engines!

my info comes from the following page...
Emission Standards: USA: Nonroad Diesel Engines

 

[RickB]

Navistar's problems are more related to corporate choices made in reaction to emission standards rather than the standards themselves. Navistar and its predecessor, International Harvester, have suffered for half a century or more from poor leadership starting at the very top. It's really remarkable that anything remains of what was once a truly amazing corporate entity.

 

[Copperhead]

Well, they were getting hit for fines of several thousand dollars per commercial truck engine, because their Advanced EGR way of doing things was not meeting the 2010 emissions standards. They have had to pull the Maxxforce engine line and go with Cummins ISX's in their heavy commercial trucks. The fines, along with the changeover and contracts with Cummins, really knocked the wind out of things for them. They are going to have a tough road recovering from that one. They have not had a good few years. Ford dumped them from making the Powerstroke several years ago, and now this boondoggle.

They had a great idea in the pipeline but never could get it to market. They bought a lion's share into a Dutch outfit called Amminex. Those guys had created a solid block of urea (urea in a sodium substrate) that meant you could do the SCR thing without having to add DEF. The block was like a cartridge, and would last for a typical oil change cycle. Just change the block when you got your oil changed. If even was more promising in that freezing of DEF would be a non-issue. It would eliminate the supporting plumbing for the SCR. All in all, I was looking forward for Navistar to get it out there and offer a real alternative to liquid DEF. But Haven't heard a peep on this from the industry watchers for over a year now.

 

[3930dave]

Fortunately, the overall economy is very strong, and there are huge margins in the commercial trucking/Ag sector to pay for all of this.

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Tier4 general discussion:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/owning-operating/266776-will-tier-4-lead-gas.html

Rgds, D.