Encapsulated/Conditiond Crawlspace

   / Encapsulated/Conditiond Crawlspace #11  
If i ever built again, no basement and no crawl space, I would still use footings, fill it with sand back fill compact and pour concrete. You could use in floor to heat the concrete, and where you are at not going to take much of a boiler they make instant hot water heater that you can use as boiler also. I agree with Eddie maintaining that vapor barrier over time.... here we put plastic vapor barrier right under the drywall and every time you hang a picture you poke a hole in it, so over time. My opinion crawl space an issue, build with out one.

I would choose this over a crawlspace too. The footings give a solid, stable foundation for the structure and are a wash cost-wise compared to crawlspace walls, perhaps less even.

The only potential drawback to consider is the drain and waste lines will be under the concrete slab unless you do some fancy design work clustering the plumbing and incorporate an underground pipe chase to the outside wall. Otherwise, if repairs are needed, it will be a major project compared to a crawlspace. Mine are under the slab and I hope to never need to repair anything. I think that is a fairly rare problem.
 
   / Encapsulated/Conditiond Crawlspace #12  
I would choose this over a crawlspace too. The footings give a solid, stable foundation for the structure and are a wash cost-wise compared to crawlspace walls, perhaps less even.

The only potential drawback to consider is the drain and waste lines will be under the concrete slab unless you do some fancy design work clustering the plumbing and incorporate an underground pipe chase to the outside wall. Otherwise, if repairs are needed, it will be a major project compared to a crawlspace. Mine are under the slab and I hope to never need to repair anything. I think that is a fairly rare problem.

The new building where I work was built like that (sans any radiant heat) frost walls and insulated slab...before construction was even completed we had to cut the new floor move drain lines and patch it...hey plans change :laughing:
 
   / Encapsulated/Conditiond Crawlspace #13  
Our house has a finished, colored concrete floor, aka a slab. Slab homes are very common in Florida and all of my family members, except one, lived in a slab home for decades. Never a problem with the plumbing that required tearing up the slab. The one family member had to have a bit of a crawl space because the house was built on a slope. When they sold that house, they bought a slab house.

Our house is on a slope but we put in a slab even though that required the foundation to be filled up with tons of 67 stone. The down slope side of the house is about 5 feet above grade so we needed a fair amount of gravel. We did not want the problem that occur with crawl spaces and wooden floors. We also wanted the mass of the slab to moderate the temperature in the house which has worked real well. We thought about putting in radiant floor heat but for our climate it was not worth the extra cost.

It was funny watching the Directv installed walk around the house looking for a crawl space to access so he could put in the coax. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Later,
Dan
 
   / Encapsulated/Conditiond Crawlspace #14  
Let me ask you some of you guys what type of drain pipe material do some of these slab built residential homes have..cast iron, ABS, PVC?

Our new building at work was built to meet commercial inspection code so it's all cast iron below grade.
 
   / Encapsulated/Conditiond Crawlspace #15  
Let me ask you some of you guys what type of drain pipe material do some of these slab built residential homes have..cast iron, ABS, PVC?

Our new building at work was built to meet commercial inspection code so it's all cast iron below grade.

PVC is what we have in our home. I wonder if some of the older homes, my granny's house was likely built in the 50's, so I would guess they used cast iron?

Later,
Dan
 
   / Encapsulated/Conditiond Crawlspace #16  
When we built our new home in 2012-2013, we went with a sealed/conditioned crawl space. It's pretty much the standard in this area now, and my understanding is that it has become a "best practice" in the humid southeast US. So far I am very impressed with it. The crawl is dry and clean, and there are none of the issues you'd have with a vented crawl in this part of the country.

One corner of our home has a 7' tall foundation height, enough for a full size door. We poured a slab down in that corner, and that's where the hot water heater, well tank, and water treatment tank are located. It's also a great storage space, so I have some shelving down there. Because the area is conditioned, we store furniture and other household items down there, which has been awesome. Could never do that in a vented crawl. From that tall corner, the foundation tapers to about 2' height at the other extreme. In between the two corners, I have all sorts of stuff stashed, including spare lumber, a kayak, etc. I'd say it's like having 60% of a basement, and really helps me keep other areas of the home neat, but still have my "junk" nearby stored in a clean dry place. Almost like an onsite conditioned warehouse.

The HVAC ducts for the first floor of the home are down in the crawl, and there is one small extra register on the end of a trunk that pumps conditioned air into the crawl space. There was a return duct installed (code requirement), but it is blocked off at the recommendation of our HVAC guy. The idea being to keep a slight positive pressure in the crawl space, and let the return air bleed through all the cracks/gaps/etc between the crawl and first floor only when the blower is running, rather than have a return duct that is always open to the first floor. I imagine the same result could be achieved with some sort of passive damper on a return duct.

Our previous house was built in 2000, and had a regular vented crawl. I can't say I ever had problems with it other than a little mold at one point. But I was careful to check down there periodically and make sure the vapor barrier was in good shape (that was only plastic) and the vents were open in summer. The thing is, other people in the same neighborhood had real problems with their vented crawls, such as dampness, mold, and odors. Some had to install fans and additional venting. I am only guessing, but it's likely those other homes had moisture sources, either due to poor drainage, poor grading around the home, or just bad location.

Even conditioning the crawl in our new home, our heating/cooling costs are about 2/3 of the old home, per square foot (living space only). The new home happens to be 1.5 times bigger in living space, not counting the crawl. If I had to take a stab at factoring in home size as well as crawl space volume, I'd say there is little to no cost to conditioning the crawl, all said and done. Some of that is due to having a more efficient geothermal HVAC system in the new home of course, so exact estimates aren't possible. But suffice it to say that even when conditioning the crawl, we are spending less on HVAC per square foot of living space than the old house.
 
   / Encapsulated/Conditiond Crawlspace #17  
Yes to conditioned crawl space. 25 years of research at NCSU has resulted in the best practice for humid southeastern areas being changed to insulated/encapsulated. Others on this thread have quoted other experts. Here is another site of experts who aren't sellers: http://crawlspaces.org/

I had mine done this past fall and it's like a new house. Someone else mentioned concerns about indoor air quality. An encapsulated crawlspace vastly improves indoor air quality. The 20mil barrier blocks radon from coming up into the crawlspace. But the biggest indoor air quality problem in houses in the southeast (after carpet and other VOC outgassing that you see everywhere) is mold and mildew getting into the HVAC system from the crawlspace. The previous standard, vented crawlspace, draws in warm humid air which condenses on all the HVAC ducts and any other equipment down there and over time you end up with a moldy mess that circulates throughout your house. I had my 15 year old HVAC system replaced at the same time I did my encapsulation and it almost made me sick seeing that equipment and ductwork that was removed. Black with mold and mildew from being in a vented crawlspace, not to mention significant rust on the condenser.

Also rural dwellers have to think about critters. Raccoons had figured out how to pull out the foundation vents and get into my crawlspace with very unpleasant results. In an encapsulated crawlspace, the foundation vents are covered and blocked off (from the inside, from the outside the grills are left in place and it looks like no change).

Like anything you do have to stay on top of maintenance. Repair any rips that occur in the 20 mil barrier and any other damage that occurs. EddieWalker posted that damage to the envelope defeats the purpose. He's right, but so does damage to the envelope of the living space. If one can be kept sealed with normal maintenance, so can the other.
 
   / Encapsulated/Conditiond Crawlspace #18  
I built my ranch home in 2000 over conditioned crawlspace - and remain glad I did. Floors are warm, no worry about freezing pipes during cold snaps, makes wonderful storage, etc. I had the sealed heavy plastic laid on the ground and put padded pallets on it for storage. Radon tests have been largely negative, but I took the precaution when I built the house of laying some small connected PVC pipes just under the plastic with lots of holes in them. They connect to a small pipe that goes straight up to and above the roof. Not only does it vent moisture, it also vents any radon that might appear.
 
   / Encapsulated/Conditiond Crawlspace #19  
Let me ask you some of you guys what type of drain pipe material do some of these slab built residential homes have..cast iron, ABS, PVC?

Our new building at work was built to meet commercial inspection code so it's all cast iron below grade.

PVC is what I have.
 
   / Encapsulated/Conditiond Crawlspace #20  
Let me ask you some of you guys what type of drain pipe material do some of these slab built residential homes have..cast iron, ABS, PVC?

Our new building at work was built to meet commercial inspection code so it's all cast iron below grade.

Schedule 40 PVC. Being smooth, it allows solids to flow a lot better then cast iron. When properly primed and glued together, it will never fail.

Eddie
 

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