End of the diesel light truck

[Bigkrank]

Toyota won't bring it out and then fix it.
Toyota will bring it out to market when they have it right the first time.
They have learned what the Big 3 hasn't.

I looked at that truck at SEMA that year, trust me they got a lotta fixin to do.

 

[Reyer Farms]

I agree that diesel is king for torque. I would not really want to go back to gas tractors, but I prefer a gas pickup. The cost of ownership is lower, purchase and upkeep. Gas engines have come so far and the gov has retarded the diesels performance with regulations. I think that one of my favorite things is hearing a turbo spool up from a clattering idle, and I still like black smoke. But it just about surviving and transportation is a terrible investment. I think I would have to pull 8k plus 200 miles a week for it to be a cost benefit for me. Has anyone really put the pencil to it as far as a break even and overall cost? I don't really care how people spend their money but I do find it funny to see a couple of lawn mowers on trailer and hear how they pull so much the diesel is the only way to go. Diesels left my radar with the bt cummins and the 7.3 ps.

 

[300UGUY]

Re: GM announced the beginning of the end of the diesel light truck today

I have no problem with someone wanting a F-650 grocery getter. I work with someone who does.
Its his money and he can darn well spend it the best way he sees fit.
If he wants a grocery getter thats what he got.:laughing:
With his tailgate above roof level of my of my K3500 he doesn't want to heft anything into the bed. I don't blame him.
Texas is full of F-650 grocery getters.
I've gotta wonder though,are garages are bigger in texas too?
Hey?

I don't care what they drive. I would never spend 150K on something to go to wallmart, that's all.

 

[300UGUY]

I agree that diesel is king for torque. I would not really want to go back to gas tractors, but I prefer a gas pickup. The cost of ownership is lower, purchase and upkeep. Gas engines have come so far and the gov has retarded the diesels performance with regulations. I think that one of my favorite things is hearing a turbo spool up from a clattering idle, and I still like black smoke. But it just about surviving and transportation is a terrible investment. I think I would have to pull 8k plus 200 miles a week for it to be a cost benefit for me. Has anyone really put the pencil to it as far as a break even and overall cost? I don't really care how people spend their money but I do find it funny to see a couple of lawn mowers on trailer and hear how they pull so much the diesel is the only way to go. Diesels left my radar with the bt cummins and the 7.3 ps.

That's where I am at. I used to tow my with my 99 GMC 2500, it has a 6.0L gas. I couldn't see the extra dollars for a diesel then, or now. I look at the $$, and unless you were doing hotshot trucking, it didn't pencil out. I think a lot of folks get caught up in the HP thing, ( my engine's bigger than yours ). I use my truck for transportation, I need a truck for errands, and something 4x4, since I live in the boonies, but I am too cheap to drive a diesel just to have one.

 

[RDrancher]

That's where I am at. I used to tow my with my 99 GMC 2500, it has a 6.0L gas. I couldn't see the extra dollars for a diesel then, or now. I look at the $$, and unless you were doing hotshot trucking, it didn't pencil out. I think a lot of folks get caught up in the HP thing, ( my engine's bigger than yours ). I use my truck for transportation, I need a truck for errands, and something 4x4, since I live in the boonies, but I am too cheap to drive a diesel just to have one.

Agreed. I don't understand running around town in a one ton diesel either, but more power to 'em if that's what they want. I haul around 12K pretty much on a daily basis and my 7.3 has served me well in that respect. But when I park the SD in the evening (usually still hooked up to the trailer) I drive my wife's F150. Much more enjoyable to drive and it almost feels like a sports car after driving the F350 around.

 

[Gary Fowler]

Those claiming 100K is the life of a gasser engine must have had their head up someplace dark and smelly for a long time. 100k is just break in period on engines today WHEN SERVICED CORRECTLY AND NOT ABUSED. Not many people actually need 800 ft lbs. of torque to pull a loaded trailer and paying $6000 to say I have a big A$$ed diesel and listen to the knock of the diesel is pretty dumb. Diesels used to get better mileage than gas and last lots longer. The still last lots longer but for the price difference, one can put a new gas engine and transmission in his truck and still have money left over not to mention the extra cost of service on the diesel. Sure there are a few folks that drive for a living pulling 40 foot gooseneck trailers "hotshot" delivery that put 100K per year or more on a truck and they can justify the extra dollars in cost, most every one else cant.
I can pull my 12K trailer loaded to the max with my 5.3L gasser just fine and get 10 MPG loaded and 20 empty all with my 4 speed transmission when I occassionally need to haul my tractors. For my other driving, I dont need to pay $.20 or more per gallon of fuel and burn more of it, put 12 quarts of oil when changing rather than 5 and put urea in the tank to meet EPA regs.
But like the old scam advertiser says, "It your money, use it how you want to" just dont try to bulls*** me into believing that you NEED it.

 

[buickanddeere]

Re: GM announced the beginning of the end of the diesel light truck today

You ain't getting' 800 foot pounds of torque from 400 gas horse power.

HP is work per hour.
Which makes more power. 800 lb ft at 1500rpm? Or 267 lb ft of torque at 4500rpm?

 

[buickanddeere]

Didnt they only show the half ton truck? If so how does this show the end of diesel pickups?

Did you not know that GM releases the new 1/2 tons a year before the new 3/4 and 1 tons?

 

[US American]

Cummins announced a month ago or so that they are laying off 1000-1500 employees because of low demand. Specifically, the North American market has been decimated. It's all the emission standards. Almost everyone in my horse club has a pre-07 diesel and nobody's selling them because they get better mileage and rarely break down. The cost of a new pickup is so ridiculous that it nearly breaks the bank for most folks. Then throw a $7000 option on top with emission problems, low mileage, and maintenance issues... Like said above, few people need to spend that kind of money and take on that kind of risk.

Just wait until all these emission problems hit the small tractor market. The units that do the worst are the ones that are babied. A lot of those units belong to TBNers. These diesel emission systems demand the engines to be worked hard. When worked hard, they seem to be okay. It's the recreational diesel owner, on average, that gets nailed with the worst side effects.

 

[RobertN]

Yes. My previous truck was an '89 F250 4x4 with a 351 and manual tranny. I sold it when I got my current truck. That F250 had a little over 225,000 miles on it. It ran like a top, didn't use any oil. In fact, about 6 months before I got the new truck, we had put about 4000 miles on the F250 driving around the north West US and parts of BC and Alberta(lots of mountain driving) with a heavy old 11' cabover camper on it.

That was a '89; 2012 vehicles should be better. A "Properly" maintained modern car/truck, gas or deisel, should easily get 250,000 miles. Well, depending on where you are at; I'm in N. Calif foothills where rust is not an issue...

Those claiming 100K is the life of a gasser engine must have had their head up someplace dark and smelly for a long time. 100k is just break in period on engines today WHEN SERVICED CORRECTLY AND NOT ABUSED.