Engaging 4WD

   / Engaging 4WD #1  

Hook

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Location
Milford, NJ
Tractor
Kubota L3010
I bought a new L3010 a few months ago & now have about 28 hours on it. Ever since I have had it, it has been a royal pain in the ass to engage or disengage 4WD. Once in a rare while, the lever moves easily. But most of the time I have to fiddle with it, step on the clutch, put it in neutral, etc. until the lever will move. Sometimes I just give up.

Is there some trick to this I'm missing?

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Hook
 
   / Engaging 4WD #2  
What you are doing is fine when having trouble engaging your four wheel drive. Often you need to run the tractor forward or reverse just a few feet to engage the lever. You did not say if it is just the lever moving hard or if it is the transmission that is giving you the trouble. You should be able to have the lever just drop in from time to time. Do you have trouble disengaging? You might want to check for axle windup if you are and adjust your air pressure in the tires if thats the case.
 
   / Engaging 4WD #3  
HOOK,
I HAVE A B2710 WITH ABOUT 160 HRS. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO SHIFT ON THE FLY. WHEN I'M IN "M" I CAN PUT IT IN OR TAKE IT OUT OF 4WD WHILE MOVING AND WITHOUT USING THE CLUTCH. IT IS MOST EASY TO DO IN A STRAIGHT LINE WITHOUT A LOAD IN THE BUCKET.
FRED
 
   / Engaging 4WD #4  
Hook: There is a small difference in front-rear traction speed - the front tires try to cover more ground than the rear ones (true for most 4-wheel-drives). For this reason there is almost always some extra contact force in the gearing when in 4wd making it hard to pull the lever out, and occasionally some mismatch preventing it from going in.

Engaging or disengaging 4wd is always easier on non-paved surfaces. Dry pavement makes taking it out of 4wd a real bear. A good trick when it's doing this is to turn the front wheels sharp left or right and change direction - as you start to move either forward or back keep your hand on the lever and you'll feel it just slip out easily as the mismatch in gear speed crosses over the zero point.

This problem varies depending on tractor model, tire type (R1 or R4 etc.), inflation, tire wear, and anything else that affects tire diameter - like a load in the FEL. With a heavy load in the bucket, no weight on the 3ph, my tractor shifts in and out of 4wd easily goind straight on dry pavement. But with an implement on the back, or less load up front, its a lttle different, maybe coming out hard unless turning or changing direction.
 
   / Engaging 4WD #5  
I also have a L3010 and have had the same problem, but moving the tractor forward or reverse makes a difference. I can live with this, since I don't often engage the 4WD option.

Do you engage the clutch when trying to put the tractor in or out of 4WD?
 
   / Engaging 4WD #6  
There's one trick that always works: raise the front wheels off the ground with the loader. Then it's easy.

Also, remember that the gears you're talking about here are quite large. Usually you can get 4wd engaged/disengaged by moving the tractor in a straight line by an almost imperceptible amount. An inch is too much. Try moving the tractor about 1/4" forward, if you can. If that doesn't work, move it 1/4" backward, try again, then another 1/4". That's all it should take. If that doesn't work, lift the front wheels off the ground.

MarkC
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   / Engaging 4WD #7  
Shift on the fly, is this a feature? I asked and was told not to do this.

2410 FEL LA352
 
   / Engaging 4WD #8  
I shift on the fly as well. However, you must apply common sense. If you are already in trouble and need the traction, it's to late. As long as the tractor is moving along normally, and the lever shifts easy, there is no real danger of doing any damage. If you are spinnin' tires and do this, well that could be ugly.

Farmer kid usetabe, Farmer Wannabe
 
   / Engaging 4WD #9  
Shifting in and out of 4wd on the fly is ok - just not if you've lost traction and there's a spinning tire - then it will mash the teeth.

Another point - the bind-up that 4wd gets going on dry pavement is all in the gearbox and isn't really affected by whether or not the clutch is engaged.

Hey cool! I just went Gold on that post. (Muhammad must have found some of my old posts to include in the count - Thanks - now I feel like less of a tourist.)
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by rbargeron on 12/21/01 11:48 AM (server time).</FONT></P>
 
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Way to go rbargeron,

I'm building time, not quite 1/2 way there though.

Nick

Farmer kid usetabe, Farmer Wannabe
 
   / Engaging 4WD #11  
That is close to the method I've always used on manual transfer case trucks.

What I do is drive with the wheels hard left (or right), then reverse direction and keep just a little pressure on the transfer case lever. When the driveline unwinds, at some point it is no longer in a bind and the pressure on the lever is enough that it will click right out of 4WD. I've yet to have this method fail.
 
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Wow, Mark! That works really well! I used the turning the wheel back and forth method in the past, but your way works much better.

On the other hand, with my land the only time I ever leave 4WD is to see if the lever still works! /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif

Pete

www.GatewayToVermont.com
 
   / Engaging 4WD #13  
Pete - I know what you mean about needing 4WD pretty much all the time up where you are. Beautiful country, too.

With my new buggy, 4WD is all there is. Don't have to worry about taking it in and out, though.

MarkC
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I'm probably just about the opposite, Pete; only use 4WD maybe 20-25% of the time, but if the lever doesn't slip in or out easily, the first thing I do is move the tractor forward or backward just barely enough to tell it moved (never measured the distance, so I'll take Mark's word for it that it's maybe a quarter of an inch/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif). That's usually all it takes.

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   / Engaging 4WD #15  
Well, I've a L3410 with 45 hours - should run about the same. To get into 4WD can be a bit tough, but not much. I can usually, when driving along (not with wheels spinning at different speeds while stuck in a ditch, etc) , just give the lever a good yank - if that doesn't work, stop, start to inch forward & yank again (if you're stuck, just about the time the wheels start to turn as you engage forward/reverse is a good time to yank the lever). Getting it out of 4WD is easy, just step on the lever, whenever. What I don't like, as far as ergonomics, is the rear differential lock-up lever. Dumb place. You can't stomp on it easily if you're using your right foot to control the gas (must switch to throttle lever) , or if you might need to brake shortly after coming free. Why couldn't that lever be easily accessible with the left foot?
 
   / Engaging 4WD #16  
Wow, Cisco, sure hope you're kiddin'./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

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   / Engaging 4WD #17  
It's funny how different our respective parcels of land can be, isn't it? Some of us have perfectly flat land with great, fertile soil where every single seed germinates and grows like gangbusters! Others, myself included, live on steep hillsides where the only flat ground is taken up by the house, and the 'soil' barely covers granite ledge. And how about the variance in growing seasons!?! Here, it snows from October till May, sometimes June. And the first frost sometimes hits in early September, with the last one in June. Try growing veggies in this sort of weather!

And yet, the wonderful thing is we all love our land just the way it is! /w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif

Pete

www.GatewayToVermont.com
 

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