inveresk
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I hope this turns out to be as good as it promises to be . . . .
YouTube - WATERFUEL !SO WHY DO WE NEED OIL?MONEY!
YouTube - WATERFUEL !SO WHY DO WE NEED OIL?MONEY!
ENGINE RUNNING ON WATER
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MicroPilot
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This is rather old news, and it doesn't seem much has come of this. The original patent for the welding system was granted in 2004.
http://hytechapps.com/index.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6689259.html
http://aquygen.blogspot.com/
http://hytechapps.com/index.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6689259.html
http://aquygen.blogspot.com/
Iplayfarmer
Super Member
Send a PM if you want to discuss it more. I have a nice plot of ocean front property in Arizona that you may be interested in. I also have a bottle of snake oil I'd sell you cheap. It will cure anything that ails you.
Johnbro
Gold Member
X2. The problem with hydrogen is it's usually found in its "burned' or oxidized state as water (H20). Oxidizing is usually an exothermic reaction so heat is released. To reverse the reaction you have to add energy, just so you can re-oxidize it again (burning HHO or any H2 lash-up). the 2nd law of thermodynamics (basically there's no such thing as a free lunch) says that will be a net loss.
The good news about hydrogen is it's extremely clean burning, thus the interest as an alternative fuel for automobiles and such. But until we have a way to produce hydrogen without a net energy loss it's a bad idea, especially since the way you make hydrogen today is with electricity and most electricity in this country comes from burning coal. So we're making the air dirty in order to make it clean:confused2:
That welder could be slick to have a cutting torch without tanks but a plasma cutter does something similar with perhaps more power and control.
k0ua
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I am constantly amazed by this, how those MORONS in the news business, whose jobs are to be investigative reporters, just buy into any scam that comes along, and never do a bit of investigating or reporting. They just sit there in their studio seats and look all excited and smiley. And tout the virtues of every charlatan that comes along. Lets see, "browns gas" or oxyhydrogen was first made around 1800, and was used in welding over a century ago, great technology, but as others have pointed out, it takes more energy to make it than burning it produces. But dont let that keep us from "believing" we all know that the oil companies will buy out any patents to keep this "wonderful" "new" technology from coming to the market to save us:laughing: PT Barnum said it best "there is a sucker born every minute" no truer words were ever spoken.
James K0UA
James K0UA
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The only clean economical running water machine I've seen is the mill on Little House On The Prairie :laughing:
MikeInEburg
Veteran Member
I'm holding out for the "Mr. Fusion" like on Back to the Future
Egon
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Saltspring weather must be pretty bad limiting outside options and leaving time on ones hands!:thumbsup::thumbsup:
The magnets motor section takes a while to get threw.:laughing:
Under water camera's showing Black Smokers and such can also eat up a lot of time.:thumbsup::thumbsup:
The magnets motor section takes a while to get threw.:laughing:
Under water camera's showing Black Smokers and such can also eat up a lot of time.:thumbsup::thumbsup:
Hi, Egon
Yea, the weather on the island sucks at this time of year - not much but rain. Being deskbound, diversions are always welcome so I'll be sure to check out your suggestions. More than likely I'll hop a flight before the month is out and head for the sun. There's only so much wet weather a body can take.
Yea, the weather on the island sucks at this time of year - not much but rain. Being deskbound, diversions are always welcome so I'll be sure to check out your suggestions. More than likely I'll hop a flight before the month is out and head for the sun. There's only so much wet weather a body can take.
Iplayfarmer
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I suppose I forgot the little
icon to suggest I mean nothing against you personally. I really meant no offense. I admit I could have been more tactful. I appologize. Back to discussion of the idea: I accept that anything is possible, but for that system to work it would have to go against some of the basic fundamental laws of physics. Equally as possible is that there could be ocean front property in Arizona. A few good, strong California earthquakes, a little more global warming... Voila!! You're surfing into Yuma Beach.
I suppose I forgot the little
Back to discussion of the idea: I accept that anything is possible, but for that system to work it would have to go against some of the basic fundamental laws of physics. Equally as possible is that there could be ocean front property in Arizona. A few good, strong California earthquakes, a little more global warming... Voila!! You're surfing into Yuma Beach.
Thank you, Iplayfarmer. Humour is good.
I know running a vehicle on water seems to contradict our current understanding of physics. But I wonder what Isaac Newton would have made of the solar cell where electricity is produced with no moving parts (at least not visible to the naked eye), without pollution and without active energy input. We're an ingenious species and I'm optimistic about our ability to tap into hitherto unknown sources of energy that might do the same for the personal vehicle. Ref. MikeinEburg's posting, I loved the scene in Back to the Future where the professor flew in, opened the car hood and dropped in some old banana skins and a couple tin cans. Who knows, perhaps one day . . . .
Iplayfarmer
Super Member
Einstein's theory of relativity also proved that Newtonian physics is not correct on an extreme scale. That's the level of new discovery we'd be talking about, though.
I'm a huge believer in the capacity of the human race to continually improve our situation. That's why I get a big kick out of doomsdayers that insist the world oil reserves will run out in XX years (or whatever other environmental apocalypse they come up with). They never seem to account for new technology or new discovery. I just don't think that energy from water is going to be the answer. What they're not telling you in the YouTube video is that it takes power (electricity) to break the water into H2 and O2 gasses. Sure the car runs on water, but they have to put energy into that water to convert it to gasses. Until I hear where that energy is coming from, I'll continue being skeptical.
k0ua
Epic Contributor
I would come a lot closer to believing in "Mr. Fusion" than the "wonderful water generator" because energy from fusion might be possible some day.. dont have a clue how they are gonna contain it in a vessel like that, but who knows. but that is breaking atomic bonds, not chemical bonds. If we could break atomic bonds. (been done before, lotsa times, think BOOM) and contain the energy, our energy worries would be over. Breaking those chemical bonds on the HHO generator is easy, any 6th grader can do it. Only problem is, it takes a little more energy to breakdown the molecules than you get out of burning it. That is where the rub comes in. The HHO generator, while usefull for a welding gas generator, takes electrical energy. Oh did you hear the "small" statement about "he chooses to run the car on both HHO and gasoline" Yeah he "chooses" because the energy to run the generator cannot be gotten from burning the gas the generator produces to "crack" more water. The input energy gotta come from somewhere, and he "chooses" gasoline. They always act like that little problem is gonna be solved next week.. NOT. Oh and for the torch, being cold. all Welding torches are pretty cool near the tip if you run enough volume of gas thru them, as the expanding gas keeps them cool. Look up torch pop, that is usually because your gas volume is not enough and the torch gets hot and you have pre-ignition in the torch from being hot enough to set of the gas/oxy mixture. Dirt/obstruction/holding too close to the work, can contribute to this also. It is a good "trick" to catch your eye, it is the mark of a Charlatan to show you something that seems incredible, that you have seen with your own two eyes, and maybe cannot explain, to divert you from the fact that the main machine he is trying to "sell" you,the gas generator, does not make more energy than it takes in to perform the work. Who gives a darn about the torch, yes we know that will work, what about running the stinkin car on water!!.. well I have rambled again.. sorry.
James K0UA
Egon
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Egon
Epic Contributor
In some countries motor is synonymous with car.:thumbsup:
