Enough is enough!
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You must be of small stature. Do you use a step stool to climb into your Ford?....HeHeHe....
You must be of small stature. Do you use a step stool to climb into your Ford?....HeHeHe....
My truck came with some cast steps, but I don't use them. It seems they are more often used by women more then guys. Actually I'm about average, 6'1" and 200 lbs but wanting to get to about 185 lbs. I can squeeze through the joystick side of my L3830 rather easily. The chest height comment was based on the tank being about 42" up and the crank going up from there. I don't know for sure as I'm still waiting for the brown truck to drop it off. Anxiously waiting. Rat...
fractal
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I can also choose to suck 30 gallons out of my truck rather then haul the gas caddy to the station to fill it up)</font>
Don't get caught hauling the gas caddy to the station to fill it up unless you want hefty fine with the possibility of an all expense paid vacation at the local corectional facility.
I spent a couple hours trying to find out how much gasoline / diesel I am allowed to transport in the back of my truck one afternoon. The DOT has volumes to say on the subject. I am STILL not sure I understand it all, but "think" you can not transport more than 8 gallons of gasoline/diesel in any single portable container without a CDL with hazmat endorsement, placarding and the whole 9yards.
Looks like a slick unit other than that. I drooled over them myself till I got lost in the morass of government regulations regarding such items.
Don't get caught hauling the gas caddy to the station to fill it up unless you want hefty fine with the possibility of an all expense paid vacation at the local corectional facility.
I spent a couple hours trying to find out how much gasoline / diesel I am allowed to transport in the back of my truck one afternoon. The DOT has volumes to say on the subject. I am STILL not sure I understand it all, but "think" you can not transport more than 8 gallons of gasoline/diesel in any single portable container without a CDL with hazmat endorsement, placarding and the whole 9yards.
Looks like a slick unit other than that. I drooled over them myself till I got lost in the morass of government regulations regarding such items.
krickard
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Reading your post about the amount of fuel that can be hauled in a container in vehicle,I've carried a 50 Gal. Drum for diesel and a 30 gal. drum for gas for years and this past week a deputy sheriff asked if the containers were DOT approved the first time even thought this was a problem,could you expand on your information. (told the deputy,my father also used the drums for fuel the past 50+ years)or where could I pick up this information?
My little L3600 Kubota gets dry with out its reserve tank.and the J.D. 40 likes the gas drum. thanks ken
My little L3600 Kubota gets dry with out its reserve tank.and the J.D. 40 likes the gas drum. thanks ken
I inquired about this and apparently, at least in California, you are allowed to carry diesel but not gas in extra quantities aboard your vehicle. The spare tanks that go in the back of pickups for example can only be used for diesel and not gasoline (California). Why this is the case I am not sure. I think for the gas it has to do with venting volatile gasoline vapors into the air which with our current vehicles does not happen. The portable tanks would have to vent. Anyway, I am not sure what will be the easy way to fill this. Lift or pull it up a ramp empty and unload it either with the ramp or tractor. At 90 lbs already, add 30 gallons of diesel at about 7.5 lbs gallon and its going to be fairly heavy. Rat...
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There are limits; I don't know what they are, but there are too many people carrying too much fuel around for it to be as low as you suggest.
I take a 55 gallon drum in the back of my open pickup to be filled at the oil distributor. As far as I know, this is OK in Florida. I'm basing that on what I do know. I used to run a propane dispensing facility, and I had to know the rules about transporting propane. You can carry up to 90# in a closed vehicle (4-20# cylinders, 3-30# or 2-40#, for example). At 4.2 lbs/gal, that's about 20 gallons.
In an open vehicle, like a pickup or trailer, you can carry up to 200# (2-100# cylinders or any combination of smaller tanks) without having placards or shippling papers or such.
The cylinders have to be carried in an upright position and secured in some fashion.
Now, it was my responsibilty to notify those who were violating these rules, and to refuse to fill their cylinders if they didn't comply. For example, roofers would come by with 100# cylinders laying flat in the back of their pickups. I couldn't fill them until they stood them up and secured them, and they had to leave my facility that way. I couldn't stop them from laying them down once they were outside my gate, but I had a Duty to Warn when they were at my facility.
That Duty to Warn is extrememly important. If I failed to give the warning, or if I went ahead and refilled the cylinders that were not in compliance anywway, I could be held responsible for the results.
All that long-winded explanation was to say that I depend on my oil distributor. If it was illegal to transport a 55 gallon drum in my truck, he has a duty to warn me, and to refuse to fill it. Since he has done neither, I have to assume I'm legal.
Of course, I'm not stupid, so I didn't assume anything. I sked him, and he said, "You're OK." That's all I wanted to hear, so I didn't ask for specifics about the law. He also sold me the drum and helped me load and strap it in the pickup the first time...
I take a 55 gallon drum in the back of my open pickup to be filled at the oil distributor. As far as I know, this is OK in Florida. I'm basing that on what I do know. I used to run a propane dispensing facility, and I had to know the rules about transporting propane. You can carry up to 90# in a closed vehicle (4-20# cylinders, 3-30# or 2-40#, for example). At 4.2 lbs/gal, that's about 20 gallons.
In an open vehicle, like a pickup or trailer, you can carry up to 200# (2-100# cylinders or any combination of smaller tanks) without having placards or shippling papers or such.
The cylinders have to be carried in an upright position and secured in some fashion.
Now, it was my responsibilty to notify those who were violating these rules, and to refuse to fill their cylinders if they didn't comply. For example, roofers would come by with 100# cylinders laying flat in the back of their pickups. I couldn't fill them until they stood them up and secured them, and they had to leave my facility that way. I couldn't stop them from laying them down once they were outside my gate, but I had a Duty to Warn when they were at my facility.
That Duty to Warn is extrememly important. If I failed to give the warning, or if I went ahead and refilled the cylinders that were not in compliance anywway, I could be held responsible for the results.
All that long-winded explanation was to say that I depend on my oil distributor. If it was illegal to transport a 55 gallon drum in my truck, he has a duty to warn me, and to refuse to fill it. Since he has done neither, I have to assume I'm legal.
Of course, I'm not stupid, so I didn't assume anything. I sked him, and he said, "You're OK." That's all I wanted to hear, so I didn't ask for specifics about the law. He also sold me the drum and helped me load and strap it in the pickup the first time...
fractal
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I rechecked the DOT site and found the same "Materials of trade" exception which limits quantites to "MOT’s are subject to size limitations for individual containers. (1) 8 gallons for PG II & III or ORM-D materials. (2) 400 gallons for a diluted mixture not to exceed 2% of a class 9 material. (3) Aggregate gross weight cannot exceed 440 pounds. " It is apparantly the MOT exception that allows landscapers and welders to haul materials that would otherwise be considered hazardous without all the paperwork. See http://www.reliablesolutions.com/dotregs.html
I then found something I missed at the DOT site ( http://www.myregs.com/dotrspa/ ) that said "A non-bulk package of diesel fuel (less than 119 gallons) is excepted from the HMR, including the shipping paper requirements in accordance with § 173.150(f)(2)" at http://www.myregs.com/dotrspa/goto.asp?ref=IDOT_07817&shopos=yes&hl=diesel along with "Under § 173.150 (f), a flammable liquid with a flashpoint of 38°C (100° F) or higher that does not meet the definition of any other hazard class, may be reclassed as a combustible liquid. Combustible liquids transported in non-bulk packagings (e.g., your 41-gallon tank) are not subject to the HMR, including specification packaging requirements, in accordance with § 173.150 (f)(2) unless they are a hazardous substance, hazardous waste, or marine pollutant." at http://www.myregs.com/dotrspa/goto.asp?ref=IDOT_1350&shopos=yes&hl=diesel
So, I apologize. I had not seen that diesel can be reclassified as "combustable" instead of "flamable" and thus entitled to higher limits. I had eronously tried to apply the gasoline limits to it which I still have not found anything to suggest is any higher than the MOT exceptions.
Aren't government regulations wonderful?
I then found something I missed at the DOT site ( http://www.myregs.com/dotrspa/ ) that said "A non-bulk package of diesel fuel (less than 119 gallons) is excepted from the HMR, including the shipping paper requirements in accordance with § 173.150(f)(2)" at http://www.myregs.com/dotrspa/goto.asp?ref=IDOT_07817&shopos=yes&hl=diesel along with "Under § 173.150 (f), a flammable liquid with a flashpoint of 38°C (100° F) or higher that does not meet the definition of any other hazard class, may be reclassed as a combustible liquid. Combustible liquids transported in non-bulk packagings (e.g., your 41-gallon tank) are not subject to the HMR, including specification packaging requirements, in accordance with § 173.150 (f)(2) unless they are a hazardous substance, hazardous waste, or marine pollutant." at http://www.myregs.com/dotrspa/goto.asp?ref=IDOT_1350&shopos=yes&hl=diesel
So, I apologize. I had not seen that diesel can be reclassified as "combustable" instead of "flamable" and thus entitled to higher limits. I had eronously tried to apply the gasoline limits to it which I still have not found anything to suggest is any higher than the MOT exceptions.
Aren't government regulations wonderful?
Thanks for the information guys. I think a lot of us just assume some things are OK figuring ignorance will make up as a excuse if needed. I don't like putting diesel in a can that goes in the car, but more because of the smell if it leaks. Gas on the other hand is a little more scary even though my 1963 GMC had the entire gas tank stretched across the cab which the back rest of the seat nested with. The tank I purchased mentions that you cannot use it as a pemananet fixture to carry fuel for mobile applications. When I inquired about how to fill it, they said (the saleswoman from CA.) said, put it in your truck bed, fill it, and bring it home. Rat...
krickard
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Thanks for the added information on types of fuel that can be hauled. it would be a problem to get several plastic containers (the type you see blowen out of vehicles all the time at the side of the road,)just to refuel a tractor. as to some one using the wrong fuel with out marking the container in the early 50's purchased a super H Farmall that used "tractor fuel" a kerosene and gas mix and started to notice the gas barrel was being used by some one in the night so when getting new fuel switched drums 1 gas 1 tractor fuel and the next morning a neighbor drove by and his '48 plymouth was blowing smoke and almost would not run,last time there has been a shortage of fuel from a storage tank.
enjoy the posts se'ya ken
enjoy the posts se'ya ken
