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[Grumpycat]

It's yurop, but still.

Cost Of Public Charging an EV Is Now More Expensive Than Filling Up with Diesel–Parkers

In fact Parker’s are understating just how expensive running costs are for EVs, because their figures for petrol/diesel include fuel duties, which account for nearly half of the cost.

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Cost Of Public Charging an EV Is Now More Expensive Than Filling Up with Diesel–Parkers

The price of charging an electric car using a public rapid charger is now more expensive than filling up with diesel according to data gathered by Parkers. The soaring price of wholesale gas and electricity has forced up the cost of charging a typical electric car, with £10 of charge taking you less far than the same amount of diesel.

This rise in EV charging begins to bite just as petrol and diesel prices are finally beginning to fall. Despite the spiralling costs of using public electric car chargers, the long-term consideration of an electric car is still very much on many drivers’ minds.

The RAC says that the average price per kilowatt hour (kWh) of a UK rapid charger is 63.29p, but it can cost a lot more. Osprey announced in August 2022 prices on its rapid chargers to £1 per kilowatt hour. Tesla charges an average of 77p/kWh for non-Tesla drivers (according to Zap-Map), and the second largest rapid network, Gridserve, charges 66p/kWh.

Article from 2022.

Only detractors of EV use believe in Public Charging as a solution for EV adoption. Is The Gas Station Fallacy. I’ve said it over and over again. Home charging is the solution. Public charging is only a last ditch emergency solution. A means of facilitating long distance travel. Not for daily drivers.

 

[fatjay]

Article from 2022.

Only detractors of EV use believe in Public Charging as a solution for EV adoption. Is The Gas Station Fallacy. I’ve said it over and over again. Home charging is the solution. Public charging is only a last ditch emergency solution. A means of facilitating long distance travel. Not for daily drivers.

There are millions of poor people who live in apartments where that isn’t a luxury they can afford. So while ev may work for some, it’s not for all.

 

[sd455dan]

I'd never live under communist rule, don't worry.

Article from 2022.

Only detractors of EV use believe in Public Charging as a solution for EV adoption. Is The Gas Station Fallacy. I’ve said it over and over again. Home charging is the solution. Public charging is only a last ditch emergency solution. A means of facilitating long distance travel. Not for daily drivers.

Agree, and have a sneaking suspicion that adding Solar /inverter /battery back up is on the minds of at least a few of us as a means to be more self sufficient and less dependent on the grid in general.

 

[Grumpycat]

There are millions of poor people who live in apartments where that isn’t a luxury they can afford. So while ev may work for some, it’s not for all.

By golly what sort of a world do we live in when Poor People have to do without something!

 

[WinterDeere]

By golly what sort of a world do we live in when Poor People have to do without something!

There's an old saying that, "it's expensive to be poor." That often means that pays for conveniences they might have at home, if their living situation were better. That saying existed many decades before the latest push toward EV's, and was no less true then, than now.

 

[fatjay]

By golly what sort of a world do we live in when Poor People have to do without something!

The lunatics wants ev's to be mainstream and to ban gas/diesel in favor of EV's. But EV's don't work for everyone.

 

[WinterDeere]

The lunatics wants ev's to be mainstream and to ban gas/diesel in favor of EV's. But EV's don't work for everyone.

There is no ban on electric vehicles in the USA, nor does any current legislation create any ban. That is happening in the EU, where ironically they have an infinitely higher fraction of apartment dwellers than we will ever see here, but there is no ban on gas/diesel engines existing or even in legislation currently under debate.

What we do have is stricter emissions policies, which will inevitably cause many auto manufacturers to build more EV's, as the cheapest and most practical way to meet the new standards.

We all know different manufacturers cater to different sectors of the market. Kia and Mercedes are not targeting the same buyers. In a perfect world, the legislation would leave some manufacturers to wholesale-target EV adopters, and others to wholesale-target those who want to stay with ICE, as allowing each manufacturer to continue operating from a single tech platform is the best way to control costs thru economy of scale.

So, if there's a problem with the new legislation, I think it's that these standards are forcing every manufacturer to convert at least part of their fleet to EV, while they're also being pulled to maintain part of their fleet as ICE. This wider range of product offering means splitting your total manufacturing volume between two different platforms, and higher costs associated with the reduced volumes and nearly-doubled R&D.

I don't expect the ICE is going away anytime soon. But I think we've already seen what this increased R&D budget requirement is doing to the prices of new automobiles, and I expect that will not improve anytime soon. EV development costs, and reduced manufacturing volume on ICE's, is causing the cost of your next ICE vehicle to increase.

 

[Grumpycat]

The lunatics wants ev's to be mainstream and to ban gas/diesel in favor of EV's. But EV's don't work for everyone.

So? Ain't Gonna Happen™

So quit pretending one corner condition where Poor People can not afford New Cars is any sort of justification for no one else to have EVs.

 

[DarkBlack]

There is no ban on electric vehicles in the USA, nor does any current legislation create any ban.

He didn’t say there was. He correctly stated there’s people who want to.
California is leading the way in this government regulation

 

[DarkBlack]

So quit pretending one corner condition where Poor People can not afford New Cars is any sort of justification for no one else to have EVs.

What would you do, without strawman arguments?