EV owners of today and tomorrow

[Gale Hawkins]

Glad to see Ford embracing more lines of trucks.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Autonomous vehicles are hitting the road as well as the farm.

John Deere Unveils Its Next Generation Autonomy

Deere is leveraging the last 20 years of its tech stack to bring autonomy to row crop and specialty agriculture, construction, and landscaping.

www.agriculture.com

 

[wawajake]

Golly, there have always been EVs, even before gasoline. So how did "green" cause those early EVs to be?

Popular Science, Popular Mechanics, and similar magazines routinely featured DIY EV conversions 50 years ago. Green? 1978 on 100 mile drive to collage I would daydream about what it would take to make the trip on batteries. As a young Mechanical Engineering student I pondered over the numbers, the kWh, and available batteries. On further study wasn't too happy with the upsizing needed of lead-acid to stay out of the highest wear SOC regions. "Deep cycle" isn't all that deep.

What has fueled (pun!) the EV revolution is battery technology.

Your purposeful ignoring of the "green" being the primary driver of the EV expansion in the world over the past 2 decades is reflecting badly on you. Do you happen to remember the quack called Al Gore......one of many greenies that painted the ICE automobiles CO2 as the enemy .

 

[Grumpycat]

Your purposeful ignoring of the "green" being the primary driver of the EV expansion in the world over the past 2 decades is reflecting badly on you. Do you happen to remember the quack called Al Gore......one of many greenies that painted the ICE automobiles CO2 as the enemy .

You think Al Gore sold any EVs? Or hybrids?

Once again it is the anti-EV crowd who focuses on "green". And proven idiot politicians who are looking for a marching band in a parade to run in front of to wave their arms pretending to be leading the band.

When I bought my first Tesla there was no other car as interesting as the Model S. No BMW (I own a BMW motorcycle), Porsche (I own a Porsche), Audi, Corvette, Mercedes-Benz (I owned a Mercedes-Benz then).

Often the sale is predicated on the engine. "I like the engine in my RAM HD2500 so I bought one!" I4, H4, I6, V6, H6, V8, V10, gasoline, diesel, turbocharged, supercharged, etc. There is nothing like the feeling of an electric motor.

Keep telling yourself how much you hate "The Greenies" and their evil EVs so as never to experience one for yourself.

 

[wawajake]

 

[tradosaurus]

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OMG a meme. I guess you won the argument.

 

[Cub 7275]

What has fueled (pun!) the EV revolution is battery technology.

Mostly wrong. Yes the latest battery technology has made EVs more viable, but what has fueled this latest EV spurt is taxpayer dollars including worldwide government subsidies for all aspects of EV R&D (including batteries), subsidies for EV manufacturers, subsidies for EV component manufacturers and governments having to bribe the public to buy EVs. Since at least as far back as 1976 the US government has been subsidizing EV development. Back then it was to wean us off foreign oil, now it's to save us from climate change. Use whatever narrative you want to make your version of reality work, but it doesn't change the facts. EVs would still be that Popular Science novelty project if it wasn't for all the government handouts.

An EV is just another tool. If it is as great as some make it out to be it will become the dominant vehicle type on its own and should not need trillions in subsidies and to be legislated down our throats. I'm with shooterdon, other than the subsidies and the environmental hypocrisy, I have nothing against EVs and would consider one if it made economic sense for our situation.

Just going to leave this here

Taxpayers Are Subsidizing Rich Electric-Vehicle Owners—To the Tune of Billions

A new report has exposed electric vehicles as wasteful money pits, living up to the adage: If it seems too good to be true, it is.

www.heritage.org

 

[wawajake]

OMG a meme. I guess you won the argument.

The hypocrisy of your statement is widely known here at TBN, after your hundreds of ridiculous flat earth " support" memes in 2024.......hmmm.

 

[WinterDeere]

Mostly wrong. Yes the latest battery technology has made EVs more viable, but what has fueled this latest EV spurt is taxpayer dollars including worldwide government subsidies for all aspects of EV R&D (including batteries), subsidies for EV manufacturers, subsidies for EV component manufacturers and governments having to bribe the public to buy EVs. Since at least as far back as 1976 the US government has been subsidizing EV development. Back then it was to wean us off foreign oil, now it's to save us from climate change. Use whatever narrative you want to make your version of reality work, but it doesn't change the facts. EVs would still be that Popular Science novelty project if it wasn't for all the government handouts.

All true. But you lost me with the next paragraph:

If it is as great as some make it out to be it will become the dominant vehicle type on its own and should not need trillions in subsidies and to be legislated down our throats.

It's not uncommon for any new tech, even if better for many reasons, to fail to launch due to what's often called "cost of entry" or "inertia". Take the absolutely stupid design of our stationary nuclear power plants, known since at least the 1950's to not be the best type of reactor for stationary land-based installations, but used out of the simple fact that private industry cannot afford to pursue the regulatory approvals required to use one of several better reactor types. As a result, most of our nuclear power plants are of a type ideal for nuclear subs and carriers... because that's where the government funding went.

So, while it is true that subsidies got the EV ball rolling, I would not hold that up as any example or reason that they're somehow inferior.

I'm with shooterdon, other than the subsidies and the environmental hypocrisy, I have nothing against EVs and would consider one if it made economic sense for our situation.

Agreed. But even as a man who has a lot of wealth tied up in Exxon corporation, I'll fully admit the oil industry has also received massive subsidies... maybe more than the EV industry, if only due to many more years at the teat.

 

[ning]

Mostly wrong. Yes the latest battery technology has made EVs more viable, but what has fueled this latest EV spurt is taxpayer dollars including worldwide government subsidies for all aspects of EV R&D (including batteries), subsidies for EV manufacturers, subsidies for EV component manufacturers and governments having to bribe the public to buy EVs. Since at least as far back as 1976 the US government has been subsidizing EV development. Back then it was to wean us off foreign oil, now it's to save us from climate change. Use whatever narrative you want to make your version of reality work, but it doesn't change the facts. EVs would still be that Popular Science novelty project if it wasn't for all the government handouts.

An EV is just another tool. If it is as great as some make it out to be it will become the dominant vehicle type on its own and should not need trillions in subsidies and to be legislated down our throats. I'm with shooterdon, other than the subsidies and the environmental hypocrisy, I have nothing against EVs and would consider one if it made economic sense for our situation.

Just going to leave this here

Taxpayers Are Subsidizing Rich Electric-Vehicle Owners—To the Tune of Billions

A new report has exposed electric vehicles as wasteful money pits, living up to the adage: If it seems too good to be true, it is.

www.heritage.org

I wonder how much EV technology would have progressed in USA if it wasn't for the massive subsidies that the oil industry has received over the past hundred years?