EV owners of today and tomorrow

[Gale Hawkins]

Canadian oil sands with enough reserves to fuel all the crude oil needs for North America for 40 years for the people worried about running out of oil for their diesels. The recovery cost is down to about $22 a barrel thanks to full self-driving trucks usage.

 

[BleedingOrange]

MSN

www.msn.com

Another smart company finally wakes up to reality !

 

[mike69440]

Screw full EV's. Batteries have to mature and infrastructure have to be in place first. Meanwhile hybrids make sense.
Army seems to have a good program to develop these.

US Army’s next-gen vehicle combines 2.8L diesel engine, 12-module battery

The US Army tests its Next-Gen Tactical Vehicle — Hybrid, showcasing its 2.8L turbo-diesel engine, 12-module battery pack, and silent drive.

interestingengineering.com

 

[Grumpycat]

MSN

www.msn.com

Another smart company finally wakes up to reality !

You blame "EV" on Alfa Romeo's inability to produce an interesting EV. What does Alfa Romeo produce of any interest these days?

192 miles today. Saw more new Teslas with temporary paper license tags than I think I have ever seen fully tagged Teslas. Used 227 "rated" miles. Temperatures in the 40s. Mostly interstate.

TeslaFi says I took 48.2 kWh from the battery. At 11¢/kWh $5.30 for 192 miles, 2.76¢/mile. Might be 3.3¢ when I measure the power needed to charge the battery back to where it was.

Interesting to note at home gasoline is $2.699/gallon where in Brentwood (suburb of Nashville) $3.499 was the prevailing price.

 

[Grumpycat]

Screw full EV's. Batteries have to mature and infrastructure have to be in place first.

That happened when Tesla blew minds with a production EV with 265 miles of range in 2012.

"Infrastructure" again? Why? What do you think is needed other than a "gas station on every street corner"? Why does one need a gas station around the corner when one starts every morning with a full "tank"?

500 mile 50 pound battery tomorrow? mike69440 would still be saying "batteries have to mature and infrastructure (!) have to be in place first!"

 

[mike69440]

That happened when Tesla blew minds with a production EV with 265 miles of range in 2012.

"Infrastructure" again? Why? What do you think is needed other than a "gas station on every street corner"? Why does one need a gas station around the corner when one starts every morning with a full "tank"?

500 mile 50 pound battery tomorrow? mike69440 would still be saying "batteries have to mature and infrastructure (!) have to be in place first!"

Infrastructure is power base line generation , storage, peak load supply, renewables, (please not wind) and distribution. Distribution is everything from digging up the street by your house to lay in the 10MW high voltage powerline to feed the huge charging station at the big box store down the street. Distribution is being able to plug your vehicle in at home and feed the grid as well as take power to recharge your car while you sleep.
People can dream the green new deal, but they have to wait for engineers to design it, politicians to aprrove it, fund be raised or invested to do it and actual labor be done to build it.
Hey, I am all in for a realistic plan to get this accomplished. Not saying progressive not bring made, just the journey is far from over.

 

[Grumpycat]

Infrastructure is power base line generation , storage, peak load supply, renewables, (please not wind) and distribution. Distribution is everything from digging up the street by your house to lay in the 10MW high voltage powerline to feed the huge charging station at the big box store down the street. Distribution is being able to plug your vehicle in at home and feed the grid as well as take power to recharge your car while you sleep.
People can dream the green new deal, but they have to wait for engineers to design it, politicians to aprrove it, fund be raised or invested to do it and actual labor be done to build it.
Hey, I am all in for a realistic plan to get this accomplished. Not saying progressive not bring made, just the journey is far from over.

You beg the question in assuming The Infrastructure is necessary.

Why do I need a "huge charging station at the big box store down the street"?

You will own nothing and be happy! Why would I submit to wear and tear on my EV battery for buffering demand on your almighty The Grid? Cybertruck and Ford Lightning have bidirectional power capabilities on the L2 EVSE. Managed behind a Tesla Energy Gateway (between your electrical meter and the house) one can limit discharge to no more than one's instantaneous personal consumption.

You forgot the recycling issue. Gale's weak LEAF battery was still a perfectly functional battery, just down on capacity. That sort of thing matters little for home energy time shifting. Used EV batteries are excellent sources for home use where size and weight matters not. Before ultimately gifting my 2013 Model S to my sister I considered how it's remaining 75 kWh of battery storage to be the cheapest source of battery storage I could get. The totally new system I am getting will only have 27 kWh.

Politicians to approve it? All good things come from The Government? So you approve of government mandate for EVs? Because, you know, government is so good at successfully planning things?

The Grid still has a 50% generating capacity surplus at night. Night is a natural time for EVs to charge, easily, with inexpensive hardware, using existing "infrastructure". With a fresh charge every night there is little need for "infrastructure" in the guise of Gas Stations. My 192 miles today was easy from driveway back to driveway with only McDonalds "infrastructure" in between for a McCrispy $5 meal, later an ice cream cone, and biological needs. No Government Rest Stops for me! Good clean McDonald's bathrooms only!

The People's Republik of Kalifornia often has a surplus of power during bright days due to over building and poor planning & design of their PV Solar push. You want more "infrastructure" from those who have proven incompetent to implement? Same for Texas who has tried to invent a power grid version of Hillary Clinton's "managed competition health care market." You know how good the government is at planning things!

 

[BleedingOrange]

MSN

More bad news for the battery vehicles !

 

[tradosaurus]

Screw full EV's. Batteries have to mature and infrastructure have to be in place first. Meanwhile hybrids make sense.
Army seems to have a good program to develop these.

US Army’s next-gen vehicle combines 2.8L diesel engine, 12-module battery

The US Army tests its Next-Gen Tactical Vehicle — Hybrid, showcasing its 2.8L turbo-diesel engine, 12-module battery pack, and silent drive.

interestingengineering.com

You just now waking from a 10 yr coma? You ever heard of Tesla?

 

[WinterDeere]

People can dream the green new deal, but they have to wait for engineers to design it, politicians to aprrove it, fund be raised or invested to do it and actual labor be done to build it.
Hey, I am all in for a realistic plan to get this accomplished. Not saying progressive not bring made, just the journey is far from over.

If only we'd have waited until the Internet reached today's maturity before selling the first computer or inventing the iPhone, or if we'd only waited until Verizon offered 250 channels before selling the first television...

Classic cart and horse problem, but the reality is they must always mature together. Within the bounds of capitalism, the only way to get that done is consumer early buy-in.