Excavator cost per hour????

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johnnyringo

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Can anyone give me an estimate on what the average (ballpark) cost per hour is on a large excavator with a thumb. I have several stumps to be taken out (in the future after logging) and am trying to figure approximately what it will cost to pop the stumps out after logging. I am in the northeastern Oklahoma area. The area is flat so access and operation for the equipment won't be a factor. Total acreage to be cleard of stumps is approximately 30.

I have hired a forester to sell the logs for me but we can't find a local logger who is willing to push the trees down before cutting so I've decided to hire a someone to dig the stumps out after being cut. I have heard excavator work is pricey so I'm trying to get a feel for how much I can expect to spend. Any help is appreciated.
 
   / Excavator cost per hour???? #2  
$80-100 in this area. Why not rent one and get some seat time. They are FUN!!!
 
   / Excavator cost per hour???? #3  
Count on many hours at that rate for 30 acres, a week maybe.
 
   / Excavator cost per hour???? #4  
What size trees? A dozer with a root rake may be cheaper.
 
   / Excavator cost per hour???? #6  
You should have no problem finding a logger in your area that will be willing to cut the trees and remove the stumps. They will pay you less money due to the fact that their cost to acquire the timber would be more.
If you don't have job then rent an excavator, but if you don't have 40-50 hrs per week to run the machine then you will lose your a@@. Usual prices for hiring someone with an excavator to remove stumps should be 12"-36" $90-$150 per stump,
36"-60" $150-$350 per stump. 30 acres will cost a fortune!
My suggestion would be to sell the timber to someone that is willing to remove the stumps for a larger cut in the timber.
 
   / Excavator cost per hour???? #7  
Most lumber mills won't take any lumber that has been 'rolled'. Asking someone to push the tree over before they take the timber usually renders the wood worthless. Depending on the job being done and the size of the sawmill saw, a blade can cost thousands of dollars. One heavy oak tree that has been rolled around by a dozer can ruin a blade. That is why nobody would push them over for you.

Someone mentioned selling your stumps. Unless they are black walnut, they have zero value. Again, that is why you don't have people lined up to take them for you. Almost every place around my area simply digs a giant hole and buries the stumps. Even then, you will get some sinkholes since it's almost impossible to get dirt packed tightly around all the roots. It's usually no big deal, but I wouldn't want sinkholes (even generally small) appearing in my front yard or under my septic tank.

I assume that you can rent an excavator in your area. Be ready for a delivery and pickup fee on top of the weekly or hourly fee. Also, are you experienced with an excavator? Sure, almost anybody can operate one. The difference is not only the quality of a job that can be done by the experienced operator, but the time it takes to do the job. I'd say that I am an "average" excavator operator, and I can get done in one long day as a totally inexperienced operator can in a week. And, I'm not talking about someone who hasn't been around tractors; just someone who has not run an excavator. A really good excavator operator can get done in a week what would take me a month to do.

I don't know you at all and I don't know your level of expertise on an excavator, so please don't take my comments as saying that you don't know how to operat an excavator. You very well could be the person who can do in a week what it would take me a month to do. I was only trying to prove a point that sometimes a really "expensive" excavator operator may be cheaper in the long run for doing the job. Besides that, a really good excavator operator will give his opinion on ideas if asked, which may help you some. That same really good operator will also simply keep his mouth shut if you don't want to hear about his thoughts and only do what you hired him to do.

When I first got to where I figured was competent on an excavator, I'd bid on jobs and then lease a friend's excavator to do those jobs. One older guy I was doing a job for got me good and I still remember his point. In retrospect, I should have paid him for teaching me a good lesson in business. At the end of the first day of work, we were leaning against the machine and I was blabbering on about how much I got done and how I figured he ought to do this, and that etc. When I finished talking, he calmly told me that it was his understanding was that he was hiring me to operate an excavator for him, not to tell him what my opinion was on how he should use his land. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Obviously he was right.

I mention this little story for several different reasons. If you get bids for the job, you'll figure out many of what I'm talking about. Also, unless things have changed, I could likely stay busy billing out $65 for just my time operating the machine. That wouldn't include rent for the machine, fuel for the machine, permits to haul the machine, etc. As in most things, you can find jerks out there who will do a crappy job and charge you an arm and a leg for their pathetic work. They most likely won't be around in a few years. Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me at all to have a good company charge $125 to $150 per hour to do your work. Depending on how far their shop is from your place, they will most likely also charge you travel time to get the excavator to your place to start the job and then again to get the machine back to their shop when the job is finished. If it is muddy, many companies also charge a surcharge to clean their machine when they get it back to the shop.

One of my best buddies owns a huge company that does just this sort of work in addition to specializing in underground boring work, like going under existing buildings and highways etc. He makes an extremely good living in this line of work, but mistakes can be costly. Whatever you do, good luck! If you have any more specific questions, just let me know.
 
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Well said Dargo. Not to mention if you should break something operating the machine.
 
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Hello,

I think your best bet would be to rent a dozer with a root rake. Takes less experience to run and could get the job done faster. You can rent a D6 for between 3-6k per month and that should be plenty of time to get your land cleared of stumps. The dozer also allows you to push the stumps out of the way once they are out of the ground, something the excavator doesn't. Good luck,

PD
 
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The trees they are logging are anywhere from 16" to 36" in diameter. Mostly Oak. What size stumps will a d6 or d7 class dozer take out with a root rake? I actually have eighty total acres being logged but I wan't just 30 cleared off. And it doesn't have to look perfect, it will just be cattle pasture. My forester said that it is hard to find someone who will push them over before cutting because he said it is much more dangerous than cutting it while standing. I would think not but I'm not a logger.

I don't have a problem with spending most of the logging proceeds on cleanup but the more I look into post logging cleanup it may actually cost you money out of pocket to have your place logged off if you wan't some of it cleaned up and cleared unless you have valuable trees.

Thank you for all your recommendations.
 
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It all depends on a lot of variables. Without seeing the area, I don't think anyone with experience will try to give you a time estimate. I was just going to town knocking huge trees down with a D11 dozer and I had the root ball come up between the blade and the front of the tractor. You'd just think that you can back up over a dip or ditch and it would come right out, right? Not! After about 6 hours of screwing around with this tree, the last 3 with another D11 trying to help, I ended up having to get a huge track hoe along with another D11 to get that darned tree off of me!

You don't need a root rake to get them out. You just tilt a 6 way blade where one corner cuts off the top foot or 2 of roots all the way around the stump. You then back up and lower your blade and pour the power to it when you get against it while you raise the blade. They usually come right out then. With no problems, that method takes me about 2 minutes a tree. However, count on problems.

It seems that you don't like my thoughts because they basically tell you to expect the unexpected and that it will not be as easy as many may think. I won't bother wasting any more of your time nor mine. Good luck!
 
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Hello,

I wasn't in anyway trying to knock Dargo's suggestion just giving you an alternative idea to using an excavator. I think that it's common sense to know that when you are using machinery it can break. As far as the question concerning the size of a stump that a d6 or d7 will remove I don't think you will have any problem with the 18-36" stump. You're not going to push them out with no effort but with the use of the hydraulics and forward motion you can get them out. The key is to get them started out of the ground with the hydraulics and then backup and finish the job before you get them stuck between the blade and the radiator. Dargo is absolutely right in that getting a stump caught in there is a pain. If you want to know prices you can go to Machinery Trader and find out how much it would be to rent either and excavator or a dozer. Then you can weigh you options and find out which is more cost effective. One thing from experience is that pushing out trees and stumps all day is a lot more work then it sounds, just to give you heads up. Take care and happy clearing,

PD
 
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In West Texas Excavators are used alot in removing Mesquite Trees from Pastures, this costs anywhere from 145 to 275 per hour unless you own your own. A good operater can clear 20 acres a day in medium to small trees (less than 3 inch diameter) and good moisture, if it is dry, much less can be done as fast. CRP acres are perfect areas for excavators to work, the tall grass tends to hold moisture longer and the machine can move much faster provided the sprouts are not too numerous to slow things down. Figure at least 100 dollars per acre or more depending on conditions.
 
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Might want to think about what you're going to do with all of the slash and stumps. 30 acres will make a pretty big pile (or 3). Burning eats up equipment time and money. Burying isn't always a great option. Haul off is usually pricey. Grinding is kinda pricey too. Either way, you may need permits for stumping and grading. Erosion control is a concern too.
Like Dargo said, experience is a big asset but it's all learn-able if you have desire, time and money. Grading with an ex is darned difficult. Stumping with a root rake isn't the most fun I've ever had.

85-150/hr. w/ operator local price for a 3 series Cat. plus haul charges
rents for about 4200/month (thumb is extra) plus haul, fuel, operator and insurance

If it was thick enough to timber, I doubt you'll get multiple acreage per day stumping and piling slash.
 
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I have done quite a bit of stumping for developments over the last 11 years, so here is my .02..... Pushing stumps out with a dozer is fine if you don't mind making a HUGE mess. Plus you need a lot of room to move around while digging around the stump. Some will push right out, others will be a PITA. I personally prefer using my excavator with the hydraulic thumb. I like this method because you can pick up the stump and drop it on another stump to beat the sand out of it for easier burning. It also takes a smaller hole, when using a excavator, to dig out stumps. After the stumps are out then use a dozer to re-grade the site. Burn the stumps or leave them in a few piles along the edge of the pasture for low cost rabbit condominiums.

I charged $95.00 hour for me and my 38,000 pound excavator. Sometimes I would charge per stump if the owner wanted. Then the price was as cheap as $5.00 each for stumps up to 12" and as much as $100 for a 40" beech or oak tree. These prices depended on quantity, size and type of tree too.



Root rakes are not for pushing out stumps, they are ROOT rakes.
 
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here in Idaho i can rent a 5 ton excavator with thumb for $625/week (40 hours). thats like 125/day. way cheaper then hiring it out. there real easy to operate....heck my wife has used them :laughing: :laughing:

I'm surprised you couldn't find someone to push them over. thats done all the time here....you must have deep rooted trees???

here, they push them over , thumb them over and cut the root ball. burn and bury the roots.

EDIT: Oops..i just saw your post about 16-36" oak...never mind hehe. Ive played with those in the past. miserable to get the root balls out. I have fir and pine here, and we dont care about pushing them over mainly cause there all used in chip mills and pellet stove fuel plants here. no lumber market for past 3 years.
 
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I have done quite a bit of stumping for developments over the last 11 years, so here is my .02..... Pushing stumps out with a dozer is fine if you don't mind making a HUGE mess. Plus you need a lot of room to move around while digging around the stump. Some will push right out, others will be a PITA. I personally prefer using my excavator with the hydraulic thumb. I like this method because you can pick up the stump and drop it on another stump to beat the sand out of it for easier burning. It also takes a smaller hole, when using a excavator, to dig out stumps. After the stumps are out then use a dozer to re-grade the site. Burn the stumps or leave them in a few piles along the edge of the pasture for low cost rabbit condominiums.

I charged $95.00 hour for me and my 38,000 pound excavator. Sometimes I would charge per stump if the owner wanted. Then the price was as cheap as $5.00 each for stumps up to 12" and as much as $100 for a 40" beech or oak tree. These prices depended on quantity, size and type of tree too.



Root rakes are not for pushing out stumps, they are ROOT rakes.


only 95/hr.....man there alot more here with operator and a hoe that large.
 
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only 95/hr.....man there alot more here with operator and a hoe that large.

Yeah, It's pretty brutal when you have a truck, trailer and excavator and drive to the customer and they have a hard time accepting $95/hr as a good price. There are guys going as low as $80 for a similar machine, just to get work. But, at the end of the day all they did is wear out their machine and make no money for the effort. Its crazy.
 
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Unless you plan to disk the land, why not use a dozer and shear blade? The excavator will be great for digging stumps, but it will leave you with a huge mess. Stumps and stump holes. Then you need a dozer to clean up, so just get the dozer to start with.

Rental rates vary hugely even in the same area. Be sure to call around.
 
   / Excavator cost per hour???? #20  
Unless you plan to disk the land, why not use a dozer and shear blade? The excavator will be great for digging stumps, but it will leave you with a huge mess. Stumps and stump holes. Then you need a dozer to clean up, so just get the dozer to start with.

Rental rates vary hugely even in the same area. Be sure to call around.

Both machines will make a mess. But the excavator is going to be the easiest way to get 30" stumps out. It's very hard on a dozer to dig out big stumps. I have seen lots of blown hydraulic lines on dozers while digging around stumps. Plus, all the back and forth, and going down and under the stumps puts a TON of stress on the under carriage. An excavator with a thumb is the way to go. After the stumps are out, fire up the dozer to re-grade the field.
 

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