Expedition EL vs Suburban No chevy or ford bashing please.

[davkir]

I'm not sure, but I remember reading that Carbon Motors was going to use a 6 cyl BMW diesel.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I'm not sure, but I remember reading that Carbon Motors was going to use a 6 cyl BMW diesel.

If they do that would be great. I thought they were building everything in house but I am probably wrong.

As for them selling or not they are working on the factory like crazy down in Connersville. They say they have deposits on 20,000+ police cars right now. They run about $35,000 each if I remember right with a average out the door equipped price at around $40,000. Not much different than the other no police built cars that must be modified and equipped. They are designed for twice the life of a comparable Crown Vic or Charger.

Chris

 

[Bigfoot62]

Building everything inhouse. Its a diesel. We have a few running around the town.

Not according to their website. (from the FAQ page)

. . . we will be purchasing the engine from an existing manufacturer.

 

[Bird]

If they do that would be great. I thought they were building everything in house but I am probably wrong.

As for them selling or not they are working on the factory like crazy down in Connersville. They say they have deposits on 20,000+ police cars right now. They run about $35,000 each if I remember right with a average out the door equipped price at around $40,000. Not much different than the other no police built cars that must be modified and equipped. They are designed for twice the life of a comparable Crown Vic or Charger.

Chris

That sounds pretty good, so I'll wish them well. Are they planning to sell through any kind of dealers, or only direct? And what will they do about warranty work?

 

[Dmace]

They are designed for twice the life of a comparable Crown Vic or Charger.

According to their website they have a life expectancy of 250,000 miles. Thats hardly " twice the life of a comparable Crown Vic or Charger". Our local PD gets well over 200k before new purchases and at the last police auction we went to there were several Chargers/Crown Vics with over 300k miles.
Secondly, with everything but the engine built in house, the replacement parts will be expensive and hard to get. You need a brake caliper for a Charger/Crown Vic, go to any parts store.
I also notice no word of any warranty...

 

[Monster5601]

Our local police dept took deliver of tons of them just a few months back. They bought up all they could before production ceased.

That is a shame!

I was involved in the new Ford police duty Explorer and Taurus programs. These two vehicles are superior to the old Crown Vic including performance, handling, economy, officer comfort, equipment placement, etc:. The steering committee that helped Ford create the design specifications of the new designs were made up of police departments from all over the country.

Officially Official: 2012 Ford Police Interceptor unveiled, second utility model announced

The new Ford police vehicles were OK'ed for sale last month. I've been watching the Carbon Motors efforts, they have yet to build a salable vehicle.

You may not realize but many departments use the Michigan Police vehicle evaluations report. Interesting read.

MSP - Police Vehicle Evaluation

 

[Dmace]

You may not realize but many departments use the Michigan Police vehicle evaluations report. Interesting read.

MSP - Police Vehicle Evaluation

That's pretty neat! I didn't think anyone did that kind of testing but it makes sense it needs to be done.
Reading through the 2012 comparison, it looks like the Dodge Charger HEMI is still king!

 

[Lt CHEG]

That's pretty neat! I didn't think anyone did that kind of testing but it makes sense it needs to be done.
Reading through the 2012 comparison, it looks like the Dodge Charger HEMI is still king!

I'll say this much as a person who drives a HEMI powered police vehicle every day (Dodge Durango), NO engine sounds as good as the HEMI under hard acceleration NONE! I found the HEMI Chargers to be fun to drive and very fast, but the best police car that I've ever driven is still the 1996 Caprice. I've never driven a police car faster than the 153 or 156 mph that I've had that big bad boat up to.

 

[Bird]

That is a shame!

I was involved in the new Ford police duty Explorer and Taurus programs. These two vehicles are superior to the old Crown Vic including performance, handling, economy, officer comfort, equipment placement, etc:. The steering committee that helped Ford create the design specifications of the new designs were made up of police departments from all over the country.

Officially Official: 2012 Ford Police Interceptor unveiled, second utility model announced

The new Ford police vehicles were OK'ed for sale last month. I've been watching the Carbon Motors efforts, they have yet to build a salable vehicle.

You may not realize but many departments use the Michigan Police vehicle evaluations report. Interesting read.

MSP - Police Vehicle Evaluation

Bob, I did a little editing on your post and one of mine earlier because it appeared that I said our department bought up the Crown Vic when I had only been quoting Diamondpilot. I guess I must have made a typo error.

I hadn't even heard of the Michigan State Police Vehicle testing since I retired, but when fleet management was part of my responsibilities, I did keep up with that. About 30 years ago there was a lieutenant in the MSP in charge of that testing. I can't remember his name, but I met him at the National Association of Fleet Administrators, Law Enforcement Group conventions and he sent me letters inviting me to come in person for the testing, but it just wasn't in my budget.:laughing: Unfortunately, I had to have my specs written before the MSP report was completed and released, but I'd call him each year and discuss their testing before finalizing my specs.

It was some very interesting testing they did, and I'm sure it benefited law enforcement agencies all over the country.

 

[Bird]

the best police car that I've ever driven is still the 1996 Caprice. I've never driven a police car faster than the 153 or 156 mph that I've had that big bad boat up to.

Whew, I was driving an unmarked Caprice when I retired in 1989, but never had a reason to see how fast it was.