Factory rebuilt tractors

   / Factory rebuilt tractors #11  
The question is, if everybody is painting the tractors, how does one separate the wheat from the chaff. New bolts as someone mentioned maybe a good hint that the old ones looked really bad. If someone is doing full rebuilds all the more power to them.

Certainly many 20 year old tractors have lots of engine life in them, but some do not. Which are which?
 
   / Factory rebuilt tractors #12  
Cfoxmd:
Good point there is now way you could make money(like you said) ripping a used tractor apart rebuilding and painting only to reassamble it for sale under say $5-6 grand or $8-10 grand for that matter.

sooner or later you won't have time in a day to play this game or your price will get to close to what a new tractor could be bought for
 
   / Factory rebuilt tractors #13  
Well, what I am saying is that there must be value in the drive train for the tractor to be worth reselling or fixing up. Old car without a motor is not worth much, an old car with good motor is worth less than the cost of the motor. However if you fix up the rest you have a functional car for less. Well cared for machinery, especially diesels last a long time.

A good drive train means that there is still value and that the ancillaries and accesories can restore the tractor to a good value.

Dealers should only buy unpainted tractors, take pictures of the condition before painting and pictures after painting. The pre-painting pics would give the purchaser a clue to the actual condition before work.

I am in no way saying that people can't import a good used tractor, fix them up some and make a profit. The question of the matter is how does one tell the internal condition of the drive train when everything has been painted and the fluids have been changed. I can't think of much other than buying from someone that other buyers have had good experience.
 
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#14  
Another sign to look for is chrome plated parts that did not come from the factory chromed. Like the grab bars on the fenders and the shifter arm on the older tractors.

I am glad that so far everyone more or less agrees with the statements I have made. No one taking the other side on this issue is a pretty good sign to stay away from them.
 
   / Factory rebuilt tractors #15  
Anyone know the actual cost to have an engine and/or a transmission rebuilt? I don't, who does it this type of work anyway? Buy a tractor that has not been painted so you can tell the average wear and tear with the assumption that you will need some repairs or buy a piece of junk and have the engine and transmission rebuilt if parts are available. If you want to have it shiny, paint it. Then you know what you have. You are not depending on someone else's word to determine condition, you have indicators.
 
   / Factory rebuilt tractors #16  
Oh, by the way, a 235 hp airplane engine costs 35,000 after core credit. You get a warranty too.
 
   / Factory rebuilt tractors #17  
This thread is a goodly part of what I have been ranting about in various places all summer (including here). In 9 years we have had 3 (count 'em, THREE) total repaints on our lot. We buy the best grade we can get, repair what needs repairing, and sell them. Occasionally we'll paint a fender, or a hood if it was significantly spotted, or scraped in shipping (happens a fair bit).
Our business, like some others, has been hurt by the abundance of these Asian grade units (and that is exactly what the Japanese suppliers call them...they are very low grade, sold commonly to other places in Asia) which tend to look spiffy to the untrained eye, and have been brought up to "runnable" (it will start and it will run) condition (as opposed to "good running" condition, which to us means operating condition, i.e., ready to go do what it was designed to do with every reasonable expectation the major components are sound).
From what we have seen these units will likely have a high rate of failure. We have had people look here, then buy one of those units elsewhere (in some cases because they were told it was a 2000 or 2001 model year Yanmar, despite our warning them of such lies), then want us to work on it, several times within a couple weeks of buying. We won't work on them if we determine they were Asian grade....because after our repair, the next system failure (and many to follow) will be all too easily blamed on our workmanship. These tractors are money pits. Good grief, if they were viable merchandise and could be sold for less than what we are buying now, don't folks think those who have been in this for some time would be buying them? In any case, we have always said "Be wary of the dealer whose tractors are all repainted." NOTE--before someone flames me, I did NOT say a dealer with all repaints is a scoundrel...I said "Be wary".
As always, if you want a tractor with the highest likelihood of being a reliable unit, shop an established dealer with a good reputation who has been in this market a while.
 
   / Factory rebuilt tractors #18  
I've read good things about you at LMTC. You should tell these people with vietnamese "rebuilt" tractors to look at the tractor, tell them that in general they have too many problems for you to work on and therefore your policy is that you will give them advice, help them with parts and manuals but not take it in trade. Then you are giving them some advice and help but not taking responsibility for their problem. Print up a sheet on your computer and give it to them with the reasons. Some will think that your just being an %$**, but others will appreciate the parts source and advice. You might get a few new customers.
 
   / Factory rebuilt tractors #19  
The repaints and remans have been around for a long time. This is not new. The Handler repaints are well known. They had some dealers claiming they were factory rebuilt (by a rebuild factory). In fact, some Handler dealers today claim their tractors are Vietnamese remans. An interesting question is who is the Vietnamese reman and is there a single importer.

As others have said, there is nothing inherently good or bad about a repaint or a reman. Time will tell, probably very soon, and the verdict will be in on what many rightly fear might be the case.

It should be of concern on the start over to -0- hours but of course that could be a two edged sword.

How does a buyer know if they can depend on the tractor? They should buy from someone who has an established place of business and been in business for at least two to three years so that the year warranty given can be relied upon.
 
   / Factory rebuilt tractors #20  
A reman can be good or bad and a repainted tractor can be good or bad. It just depends on the underlying tractor before the treatment. You just don't have much way to tell. Buy an unpainted tractor and get it painted--but don't buy the one with lots of rust just because you are getting it painted.
 

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