FarmTrac Troubles

   / FarmTrac Troubles #211  
Naahhh, TB, there's folks checking in here for the chaff as well. :D It's possible to learn a lot from the off-topic forays. I came pretty close to being a FT owner this year. If this had held off another 6 months, there might've been a FT/Escort/Ford in the barn.

Like those old blue dawgs. Hate to see 'em go.
Bob
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #212  
Bob_Young said:
Naahhh, TB, there's folks checking in here for the chaff as well. :D It's possible to learn a lot from the off-topic forays. I came pretty close to being a FT owner this year.
Bob

I agree, there is lots to learn from the off topic forays. However, TBN has LOTS of forums that cover numerous topics and this one happens to be about Farmtrac Troubles. It's just not polite to the core Farmtrac folks to continually highjack a thread and go off topic.

.....and I do apologize to the group for going off topic.....yet again. :eek:

Don
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #213  
TBDonnelly said:
I agree, there is lots to learn from the off topic forays. However, TBN has LOTS of forums that cover numerous topics and this one happens to be about Farmtrac Troubles. It's just not polite to the core Farmtrac folks to continually highjack a thread and go off topic.

.....and I do apologize to the group for going off topic.....yet again. :eek:

Don

Most of us don't consider discussing how and why FarmTrac became OffTrac as off topic. Comparing their plight with other companies in similar circumstances isn't hijacking IMHO. The thread IS about FarmTrac, however, the FORUM is about "All Other Brands".

At this stage, there isn't much new to add regarding the situation, other than a lot of speculation.
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #214  
Farmwithjunk said:
Most of us don't consider discussing how and why FarmTrac became OffTrac as off topic.
I would agree with that statement.

At this stage, there isn't much new to add regarding the situation, other than a lot of speculation.
Exactly......excellent point.

Thank you.

Don
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #215  
This situation raises some sobering questions about the future of tractors sold by the less-established brands (the future of more-established brands is another topic). No one wants to see their $10K-$20K investment relegated to a back corner of the barn (or the woodlot) after 10 years or so because a needed part isn't available.

It's true that some have access to facilities that allow them to make their own parts, while others are expert scroungers or know of a machine they can cannibalize. But at some point, it's just going to become too much trouble to continue and the tractor will become essentially scrap....probably well before it's worn out. The tractors were, after all, purchased to help us do our work and solve our problems. They weren't purchased to add to our work/problems.

For now, at least, FT owners can support their Long designed machines with Montana parts and their Ford clones with the Ford aftermarket suppliers. But how long will this continue? With a serious economic downturn, Montana and many others could become casualties. In a bad economy, who knows what'll become of the aftermarket suppliers; from the selection of products they sell, it seems they cater to the tractor restoration hobbyist market.

It's true that a FarmTrac 300 (for example) and a Ford 8N are both tractors and capable of many of the same things. But it's a mistake to assume, that 15 or 20 years from now, today's FarmTrac (or Montana or Mahindra or Jinma or Kioti or....) will be supported the same way the 8N is now. For one thing, the number of different models and designs available today exceeds that of the 8N era by orders of magnitude. Even with healthy and willing aftermarket suppliers, support of such a wide variety of makes and models long term could be well nigh impossible. And we know from the 8N that, with decent support, a tractor's useful lifetime can easily exceed 20 years.

The point of all this, for me at least, is that the attractive deals available from the less-established brands become considerably less attractive when this is fully taken into consideration. It's true that, with the wrong guy at the helm at JD, Kubota, or NH, a replay of the IH fiasco is possible....but it's still much less likely than the disappearance of a smaller brand from the marketplace. This unfortunate affair has been an eye opener for me, a former potential FT buyer.

Going into an economic downturn, as we are now, tractor buyers would do well to consider the tractor company's health/commitment along with the tractor specs and the dealer. The financial statement lesson we got from Ned Farlinger and the warnings issued by Neil Messick and others shouldn't be ignored.
FWIW
Flame suit on
Bob
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #216  
TBDonnelly said:
The one thing I believe we owe the Farmtrac tractor owners is to stay on topic about Farmtrac. They're lots of folks checking in on this thread anxious to hear the latest developments about Farmtrac. I know they appreciate it when they don't have to sort through all the chaff.
Don

Probably good advice at this point.
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #217  
Bob_Young said:
It's true that a FarmTrac 300 (for example) and a Ford 8N are both tractors and capable of many of the same things. But it's a mistake to assume, that 15 or 20 years from now, today's FarmTrac (or Montana or Mahindra or Jinma or Kioti or....) will be supported the same way the 8N is now. For one thing, the number of different models and designs available today exceeds that of the 8N era by orders of magnitude. Even with healthy and willing aftermarket suppliers, support of such a wide variety of makes and models long term could be well nigh impossible. And we know from the 8N that, with decent support, a tractor's useful lifetime can easily exceed 20 years.

Flame suit on
Bob

I think it would be a mistake to assume that ANY color tractor will be suported like the N model Fords... In this age of outsourcing, brand name will mean little 10 to 20 years from now. Don't believe that? try finding parts for a HInomoto made Massey. With Yanmar and John deere putting a little distance between themselves (some even thought John Deere OWNED Yanmar) I wonder how parts availability will be for the "green yanmars" if that relationship continues to change... My point is that it matters little what brand, it matters more what manufacturer. In this day and age those are two separate considerations.

Darn it, now I have gone off topic, and I'm neck deep in this Farmtrac situation.... Getting back on topic: LS, Escorts and Same tractor manufacturing will continue (with or without Farmtrac) so there is little chance the Farmtrac tractors will end up in a corner of a barn because parts cannot be sourced. IN fact the only real affect is the warranty.... and a third party warranty from someone like FailSafe will mitigate that concern as well.
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #218  
Chip,

Great point about FailSafe---or someone like them, that are in that type business. They could generate a lot of business in this fiasco.

dancce
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #219  
As a dealer of Farmtrac in Florida, I started reading this thread because of the title "Farmtrac Troubles" and then got lost in the many pages of "other topics". As with real life-there are many types, sizes, prices of tractors just like there are many types of cars, RV's, homes, politicans and most of all people! Everyone will have a different opinin on tractors, cars, RV's, etc and should not feel hesitant to have an opinion. I wish this thread would get back to the main topic-Farmtrac Troubles. I have searched the internet far and wide looking for information about Farmtrac and have found some good information on this site. I appreciate the opinions that have been offered with Farmtrac and the first hand knowledge that has been offered-good, bad or otherwise. We as dealers have alot to loose-worse then the financial hit we are taking, but that of our reputations!! We did not become Farmtrac dealers because we did not believe in the product. We feel that they are good tractors and yes I would 100% agree, their demise is more management isues. All tractors have their troubles. With that said, I hope to get solutions in the near future for the consumers as well as all the dealers involved in this headache!
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #220  
I have learned that a Farmtrac dealer council has been (re)activated and is involved in the proceedings at Farmtrac. Farmtrac dealers should be getting some email updates from this council from time to time. If you are not, pm or better, email me sales@artrac.com with name, address phone and email for your dealership and I will be happy to forward it to a council member. I am not a member of this council and am posting this on my own, but I'm sure they want to include all involved dealers.
 

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