Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives

   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #171  
We are not really that far off in our opinions. I am fully aware that for certain purposes, gelling obviously and lubricity too, that there could well be value in additives especially when you have no control over your fuel source. Based on word of mouth advice here, I added 2 stroke oil to my tractor fuel for a while. Seemed reasonable. Cost was no biggie and I didn't see any harm.

The two areas that interest me most with regard to additive claims are their effects on longevity of the engine (and maintenance) and especially the claims on increased power or efficiency (MPG). Those are the areas that seem ripe for controlled studies to prove the claims and, as I noted earlier, I can find virtually nothing but anecdotal claims to bolster the manufacturer's claims. I appreciate that you are not making MPG claims (but some otherwise very well trusted TBN members are). The MPG claim just seems like such a trivial problem to prove or disprove that I am shocked there isn't any really good data on it. Why would an additive company not do such a study with a well recognized independent research organization? If the claims were proven they would markedly increase sales. They could use the data to lobby governments to require their additive in fuel. The benefits to the manufacturer of a scientifically proven enhancement of efficiency or power are simply HUGE, so why aren't those simple studies done? I am a skeptic and I believe they probably have been done but do not come close to supporting the manufacturer's claims and therefore are burying in a desk somewhere.

Longevity of engine life and lowered maintenance costs (fuel injectors etc) are also areas that have huge economic implications for individuals, companies and indeed the world. If routine use of a specific additive can be shown to decrease maintenance costs by even ten percent I would imagine everyone would adopt such an additive. So why isn't there "hard" data available to back up the claims of the additive companies? You raised Stanadyne as an example. I know bupkis about Stanadyne (or injectors) but why wouldn't a big company like that do longevity studies and publish them? Measuring lubricity gives you a laboratory number but not a real world outcome of importance. The wear index used in measuring lubricity has I am sure been standardized but what is the correlation between lubricity and real world wear? Is highly lubricating fuel any better than a fuel that has medium lubricity? Is there a cut off after which enhancing lubricity does not further good (and might cause unintended bad things)? Or, is lubricity the single most important factor in engine life and "more is better"?

I'm just arguing that DATA not anecdotes or "experience" should be the ultimate driver of decisions regarding whether to use and which additive to use. I come at this issue not as a diesel mechanic or owner of a fleet of diesel vehicles. I am basically applying the "evidence based practice" model that is standard for virtually every decision in my professional field to this decision making process. I think that "evidence based" standard can and should fit to resolve this issue.

I hear you IT - properly controlled studies are valuable, and something I would welcome.

Power (as in societal) and Politics unfortunately never seem that distant from Oil. The Engine Manfacturer Assoc. got beat, and didn't get the Wear Scar limit that they wanted legislated. It just comes down to money..... Big Oil could pay for better additives, but of course they'd sooner add to their bottom line instead.

I look at diesel additives for mainly 3 things - adding Lubrication, Cleaning properties, and Water management.

As injector geometries became smaller, at the same time as fuel rail pressure went up, it became even more critical to manage tiny water droplets. Stanadyne's approach was to de-emulsify (I prefer to think of it as coagulate) these tiny water particles into larger ones, so that a standard fuel separator/filter could do it's job more completely.

Hit an injector tip with a big enough glob of water, and you can basically blow the tip right off. Spendy :dollarsign: problem.

There are other additive strategies for dealing with water issues in fuel - I'm not saying anything one way or the other about them here, just that I liked the approach that Stanadyne took.

Lubrication - with Sulphur gone, I believe that adding some replacement lube is a good strategy.

Cleaning properties - discussing this here has reminded me to do some reading over the Winter...... I'd like to learn more about what detergency levels (if any) are mandated in diesel fuel.

I'd pay for an additive that delivers on at least 2 of the above criteria. If my injectors stay clean over the long haul, I won't say No to my fuel mileage not declining - but to me that is just icing on the cake....

The way I look at it, nobody has more at stake than me, in terms of keeping my engines running for as long as possible.

Rgds, D.
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #172  
A dose of IPA is all that is ever required as a diesel or gasoline additive. There are still those however fascinated by socery and potions.

IPA??? I prefer lager for thirst and stout for sipping myself, but yes, in a pinch, a nice cold IPA would hit the spot after fueling up the tractor.
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #175  
Wow! this thread has digressed somewhat!

I bought a new 2014 Kubota RTV 1100C the end of the model year from a big volume dealer and I think its major problem was that it set it a crate for the better part of a year with the original low sulfur diesel put in it by the manufacturer. The dealer added some fresh diesel, but it still ran rough and had very little power. After reading a bunch of reviews I found a good price on some Opti-lube XPD and added it to the tank at the recommended amount and the engine immediately smoothed out and ran with a lot more power. Every time I fire up the RTV it just keeps running better and better.

I know I am a newbie, but this stuff worked great for me.

Thanks for putting me on some web links that helped me find this additive.

My guess is that having the factory low-sulfur diesel setting in the tank, fuel lines, injectors, and engine for many months did not do anything good for the RTV. Putting in the additive helped immensely.

Make mine a Sam Adams!
 
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   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #178  
Isopropyl alcohol IPA is the least aggressive water absorbing alcohol that is commonly available. The other alcohols will react with and break down the rubber, plastic and metal in today's modern expensive emission systems equipped machines.
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #179  
I've been using a slug of Power Service white jug and about a pint of 2-cycle oil per 18 gallon tank of diesel in my '97 power stroke. I carry the red jug anti-gel stuff just in case, but won't add it unless I have a problem. I've heard that the various additives can damage the Kubota's plactic tank, so I'm just using the 2-cycle oil in the Kubota.

My concern is not with fuel cost, or MPG. I am only concerned with keeping my injectors going as long as possible. The wear study from another forum linked earlier in this thread showed verification that the 2-cycle oil helps, and it's available where I live, and it's even pretty cheap at Wallmart. Big companies or big government have very different needs: their primary concern is not to keep old equipment running. Both big government and big companies have many incentives to buy new equipment regularly. They just want the current equipment to last until their accountant says they should get a new one. I have no interest in new, inferior-by-EPA-mandate equipment, and no money for it anyway. So, I don't care what the big boys do: it may be right for them, but it's all wrong for me.
 
   / Favorite Diesel Fuel Additives #180  
Have you seen the wear test with various diesel additives ? Some additives actually increase the wear and reduce protection.
So are you counting on putting 20,000hrs on that engine prior to performing injection pump service ? If the fuel is clean and free of water. No potions or elixers are required.
 

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