Favorite handgun caliber?

   / Favorite handgun caliber? #141  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Thats why it's interesting to look at gun magazine articles through the past (in decades), particularly in cartridge selection and design. )</font>

It's only been about a year ago that I gave away my 25+ year collection of magazines to the VA hospital, a whole pickup load.

There was a lot of good stuff in them, and I distinctly remember one article of Jeff Cooper's in which he was asked about the virtues of the .25 ACP. His answer was "I'd rather have a stout cane."

I didn't really notice the *****-footing until the next generation of writers came along. Elmer Keith, Jeff Cooper, Bill Jordan, Skeeter Skelton were old school, and pulled no punches. Then along came the their successors, like Jan Libourel, and the guy whose name I've forgotten from Thermopolis Wyoming who would heap praise upon whatever was put in front of them. I did kind of like Ross Seyfried, though.

But then the emphasis seemed to turn to hand-cannons and $2000 .45 combat rigs and I totally lost interest, which may have more to do with my waning enthusiasm that the changing gun world. I can't remember the last time I shot a gun and I used to buy .22LR by the 5000 round case. I used to be halfway good with a handgun, but I suppose whatever skill I ever have had is now long gone, what with fading eyesight and inactivity. With all the houses that have gone up around here, there is now no direction to safely shoot. It used to be that I could step out the back door and shoot; now it's at least a twenty mile drive to find a place where people hearing gunshots won't call the law. Too much trouble.

FWIW, all you younger guys would do yourself a favor by reading Keith, Cooper, Jordan, and Skelton if you can get your hands on any of their material. Also, Hatcher and Taylor. No need to reinvent the same wheel these guys did. I have personally only found one thing that Elmer states that cannot be true--everything else is right on the money. I highly recommend his book Sixguns.
 
   / Favorite handgun caliber? #142  
Wow all this talk about the good ol boys makes me want to go up in the attick and check out my old magazines.
Those guys had walked thru the fire & lived to tell about it in print. Cooper has forgotten more than I will ever know.

Anyone remember the Detonics 45s out of seattle Wa. I think they were the first to offer an out of the box custom piece in stainless. Cone barrel, low profile sights,ect... Then they became New detonices, then they folded, and now they are back again

Now days you go to a show and there are so many guns on the tables that its confusing. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
   / Favorite handgun caliber? #143  
Ernie, I had a detonics for a while way back when. The were one if not the first to make a small 45.
 
   / Favorite handgun caliber? #144  
Red , which model did you own?

The also made a real nice score master 45 acp w/ a 6" barrell
that was very accurate at 50 yds.

In my opininon I think they were ahead of their time.
 
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#145  
Could never figure out Cooper on the his Styer (sp?) rifle that "he came up with (forget the model, but I think in a .308).

For the asking price, and for the fact the Cooper was involed with it, seems like he "sold out" putting his name on it.

Could be wrong.

Not to get off the subject, but watching Wake Forest getting hammered by Miami, and had to wonder, is it iilegal to advertise a firearm on T.V like Tabacco?

Never saw a firearms commericial in my life.
 
   / Favorite handgun caliber? #146  
Ernie, I don't remember, seems like it was about the size of an officers model. I didn't have it very long and it was around 20 years ago I think. I went through an IPSC type shooting course that the guy that owns PACT used to teach, he had one, so I had to have one, LOL. I built the sky screen brackets for them until they went to an aluminum extrusion at the first of this year, that's the money tree that died. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
   / Favorite handgun caliber? #147  
Coopers rifle is named THE SCOUT I have looked at it myself, and I thought they were overpriced for what you got.

I think an AR10 from armalite is a lot better buy, also in 308
 
   / Favorite handgun caliber? #148  
Have an AR10 Armalite in .308 with green furniture to boot. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Yes, I'd imagine that it would shoot sweet but, it has always been a safe queen, so I really couldn't say. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
   / Favorite handgun caliber? #149  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( </font><font color="blueclass=small">( I think you need to lay off the TV.

There is no substitute for practise )</font>

TractorErnie,

I'm not sure what this comment is supposed to mean. I love to watch TV, it's relaxing and entertaining. Sometimes it's even interesting. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

As to your comment about practice. I agree that it will increase your comfort level with your weapon and to a small degree, increase your accuraccy. I say that because I believe it takes training and education to be able to shoot accurately.

Like most people here, I've been shooting since grade school. Burning up ammo was loads of fun back then, it's also why I stated earlier that my .22 is my favorite caliber. It's the only one that is just pure fun to shoot.

I'm a rifle shooter more than anything. I practice at the range throughout the year, and also just before opening day or a hunting trip. I've noticed two types of shooters at the range over the years. Those who shoot all sorts of ammo, and those that only shoot a few rounds.

Shootters have allot more fun than I do, no question about that. They are happy with their weapons, the ammo and every hole they make in a target. I don't enjoy shooting, don't particulary care for guns and would rather watch TV than go to the range. My rifle is a tool that I use to kill with, nothing more.

Those shooters that I've observed have a different level of what's good for them, than I do. With my 30-06, I want half inch groups at a hundred yards. Anything less is reason for concern. This isn't fun, its work. Both mentally and physically.

I'll shoot anywhere from 10 to 40 rounds at the very most. Usually ten will give me two acceptable groups and I'm done.

Barrel temps are a huge factor when shooting, and I always shoot with a cold barrel, just like it would be during a hunt. A cold barrel shoots totally different than a hot one. Five rounds can take close to an hour to shoot if it's warm out.

I don't know you, and it's not my intention to single you out from everyone here. I'm responding to your post because of your comments directed to me, but I'm also responding to everyone elses posts to some extent too.

Eddie


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Eddie there are hunters and there are shooters, you are a hunter.
 
   / Favorite handgun caliber? #150  
<font color="blue"> Eddie there are hunters and there are shooters, you are a hunter</font>

Then there are shooters who love to hunt ! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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