FEL boom pole w/basket

   / FEL boom pole w/basket #11  
I have to agree with beenthere. It will be an experiance for whomever is in the basket. The person on the controlls will need a VERY delicate touch and move VERY slowly. I'm not sure if you realize how bouncy/jerky it can be out there.

Perhaps you can swap the basket holder over to hold a chainsaw out instead. You'll have to spring load the saw to help ease the pressure so you dont' stall it all the time.
 
   / FEL boom pole w/basket #12  
If anyone ever gets hurt useing that you sure won't have to worry about trimming the trees cause someone else will own them after the lawsuit.
 
   / FEL boom pole w/basket #13  
Not to rain on your parade but please consider the following: I work in construction & everyone going up in a "manlift" such as you've made must wear a safety harness. This keeps them from falling to the ground in the event of the lift bouncing around & tossing them out - a fall from even 12ft can kill!.
That being said, your basket looks pretty frail compared to that on a commercial lift. You might want to take a look @ those baskets & how they are reinforced & do some more welding before you put someone up in yours.
 
   / FEL boom pole w/basket #14  
With almost 18 years of service with a major utility, I have spent a lot of time in bucket trucks, or so called cherry pickers.
What you have built just looks plain scary /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Just they way you have the bucket forks attached to the boom has failure written all over it! If you think this thing can safely support 300lbs you are crazy! Average male adult weighs 180, clothes and boots about 15, then add a chain saw at about 25, then add the extra weight from the bouncing and you are well over 300lbs! Not to mention if a limb happens to fall across the boom! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif


We are not trying to pick on you or your idea, we just don't want to read about a fatality /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / FEL boom pole w/basket #15  
If you had gone straight up from the forks would of been alot better.
As a test tie a heavy rope to end of basket and pull the tractor off it's back wheels, tie off to bottom of tree. now you can change tires on rims without lifting rims off tractor.
All I'm trying to say is I see way to much leverage and would not dought that lifting rear wheels is possible.
 
   / FEL boom pole w/basket #16  
I'd suggest he test this rig out with a 300# weight in it, and lift it into some trees, thus simulating a worker in the basket cutting limbs (must then calculate what a cut limb dropping onto the mast (boom) would do to the rigging). I think manipulating this thing in a tree from the tractor seat would be VERY difficult because one can't see where it is at.
I agree with others. A neat idea that has some real flaws in its practical use.
But some pics of it in action (using the test weight) would be great. Prove us wrong without the person in the basket. Please.
 
   / FEL boom pole w/basket #17  
Enough others have commented, but I'll add:

Curling the bucket up or down would be an E ticket RIDE!

Pls be safe.

Ron
 
   / FEL boom pole w/basket #18  
Hairy looking but a neat idea. I'd beef a couple of those connections with some gussets for sure. The truss idea seems about right. I don't suppose you intend to back up while the lift is up as it's not mechanically attached to anything that I see. That would be a fast ride down if it caught on something.

All that said, I'd rate that a 5, maybe 6 for dangerous on my 10 scale which was early years as a framing Carpenter. Heal toeing backwards on a 2 x 4 wall plate sometimes three stories above ground one side of the wall with an 8' drop to the inside deck would get anyones attention. Nothing to tether to either. Always watching the wind direction. Now that was almost daily stuff, and while only a few of us Carpenters did that, we actually were use to it. The safety police would jail us now.

Danger is relative to one's experience and age. I don't have the ability or guts I used to. You can manage dangerous situations, even at the extremes, but a rather healthy dose of common sense is needed at all times. Including those around you. I say beef it up and go for it if you want. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif That's assuming this is for rare use. Then put yourself in that bucket. Those are the kinds of risks we may take for ourselves, not for others. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / FEL boom pole w/basket #19  
I ben in the welding business for over 20 years, owned one of the biggest shops in Hartford Connecticut, and that contraption is definitely one DISASTER waiting to happen.
The leverage on the boom multiplys the weight in the baskit by about 18, so a 200 pwnd man translates to 3600 pownds at the forks. On top of that, the breakout force on the buckit wasnt designd for that kind of weit. The force on the frunt tires is enuf to blow em out. There ain't no trussing on the boom, when ther cuda ben easy.
Best of all, their aint nothin holdin the boom on the forks.
DEATHTRAP!!
 
   / FEL boom pole w/basket #20  
Lets Roll, please don't take this the wrong way, but what you have there is going to hurt someone.

You have a couple of serious no-no's in structural design going on here all at the same time. Especially in something designed to support a human.

Multiple load paths are desired for redundancy and for stiffness. While your truss design supporting the long portion of the boom is a good idea, it is not really large enough to do a lot of good. A truss is designed to avoid flex. The tractor end of your top piece are welded to the edge of two pieces of what looks like 4" angle. Under load that angle will flex forward and deform, this will stress your welds, particularly the forward one. The forward attachment point for the top piece is only attached with a weld along the lower skin. This component in this application is in a nearly total tension situation and you are really only making use of the lower skin of that tube. You could get the same strength for 1/3 the weight by just using a piece of flat strap.

In a structure such as this you want to avoid points where force is concentrated. The point where the basket fork is attached to the end of the boom square tube is one of those places. Because the boom does not provide any other options for multiple load paths at this point, I don't see any way to easilly fix this short of building another truss(more weight). The point where forks meet the backplate/forks bend is another such point.

Not even counting the weight of the steel involved, a load of 250 pounds(man+tools) at a moment arm of 15' equals a downward rotational force or torque of 3750 FT/LB. All this force is concentrated at the point where the forks are bent. Remember, that is not including all the weight of the steel. I would say as an estimate there is at least 300LB of steel involved. If it's CG is near the middle of the structure(8'?) then there is another 2400 FT/LB of torque added to the point where the fork bends. Add any form of moderate acceleration(2 "G"?) to the load at the end from a small bump or jerky hydraulic movement. That's over 12,000 Ft/LB of torque on the non triangulated point where the forks are bent. What was the load rating of those forks again? What is the curl rating of your FEL hydraulics? I think that much load applied as a shock would most likley rupture your curl cylinders or blow a hydraulic hose. The real load point if the fork/backplate and curl hydraulics survive is where the FEL arms are attached to the tractor. Again tremendous loads at that point. What is the breakout force of your FEL. In fact if you applied what I would estimate at around 14000 LB in a 2 "G" event to the top of the FEL lift cylinders, those cylinders would most likley collapse/buckle/rupture.

The flex present in the design would turn every upset into a series of high load oscilations.

In a ideal perfect static situation that thing may lift 250 LB in the bucket, but I would guess it will be exceeding every design load rating on the FEL to do it. Unfortunatly, the reality is that life is not an ideal perfect static situation.

You have to ask yourself, what are the consequences of failure? Are they worth the potential gain from success(trimming trees)? Please don't put anything you care about in that bucket.

Absolutley positively gotta get up to trim those trees? go buy a surplus boom truck. Telco and power companies sell off used equipment all the time.
 

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