FEL on 20hp Jinma 2WD?

[greg_g]

Two dealers say no, one says maybe, I still say yes. That puts me in the minority so far, but I - personally - would still not hesitate to put a 4' bucket and 8 ply front sidewalls on the 48.6" wide JM200 (with power steering). They are CUTs after all (Compact Utility Tractors), not row crop tractors. And I'm pretty sure most 48" FELs are load-rated for 1000 pounds or less.

Like http://www.tractorconnection.com/JMManual.pdf http://www.ssbtractor.com/tractor_front_end_loader.html for example

//greg//

 

[Soundguy]

Hmm.. I'd say that you didn't have the steering setup correctly if you could only go straight ahewad or back when loaded. Non PS tractors with fel's generally are hard to steer from a stopped position.. however.. once you are rolling.. the steering is much easier. However.. if the steering still has slop.. or has had the sector backlash adjsuted too tight, or the bushings int he spindles are too sloppy and bind or are too tight.. then I can see where you might have problems.

The attached pic is a 2wd unit.. no ps... 'standard-light duty' front axle.. She has a nice tight steering box and good busings.. She -can- be steered from a stop.. but is way easier to steer when moving.. A 450-600# 3pt counterweight i added was almost like power steering.

Soundguy

I had a 800 series ford with FEL and no power steering. It was the most mirsable thing to operate and maintain. Much work on steering box and front spindle issues. With bucket of dirt or whatever all I could do is go straight ahead or straight back. Sold the tractor and never looked back. I now own a JM354 Jinma with power steering and NO FEL. I use a box blade to move dirt around and am quite content with it. I see a lot of front end repair issuses with any tractors with added FEL's. Maybe a Case CK series tractor was designed for FEL use. The added FEL's on most compact tractors need to be operated carefully to avoid disaster. bjr

 

[Soundguy]

They any weaker than ford tractor front axle's built in 1939 using a simple solid axle center section with wings, and a kingpin?

Soundguy

Do not put a loader on a 2WD Jinma. The factory does not support the configuration. 2WD row tractors are not designed to support weight on
the front end. They are just designed to pull. Aside from having no
traction in reverse the front end is the weakest point here and is likely to collapse under a heavy load in the bucket.

Graham

 

[bluechip]

Yes, The front axle of the 2 cyl/2wd jinma/farm pro is fabricted out of a U shaped piece of plate. The power steering model had adjustable width front end, as do the current 3 cylinder models which seems to result in a heavier front axle. However, I have not heard of front end failures on 2wd jinmas with loaders, but I've only sold 2 of them (farm Pro PST model) in 4 years. on those, we swapped the rear tires from Turf to AG to give more traction never had a problem reported on them. However one Chinese factory did tell me that thier 2wd is NOT for loader use. I have never communicated direct with the Jinma factory, but I think Graham has. The Koyker 140 loader has a lift capacity of about 1200lbs, the factory loader is at about 990 if I remember correctly. But nevertheless, I would not recommend a 2wd compact with a loader, and one without power steering is many times worse. You can find a 4wd for just a few hundred more. However care must be taken when using 4wd on the 200 series Jinma with a heavily loaded bucket. Some even recommend not using 4wd as the differential gears can be damaged.

 

[Soundguy]

I'm surprised that the U-shaped plate is not stronger. Both my big fords have a similar front axle setup like that ( adjustable ).. and those axles are billed as stronger than the center and leaf solid cast units of yesteryear.. the old fords used to use, before the industrial units hit.. etc.

Must be just sized real small .. i.e. thin metal.. and just can't handle the weight. Are the front hubs/spindles smaller on those units that don't reccomend the loaders? that could be an issue..


By the way.. I'm -not- disagreeing with you.. ( just speculating ) I obviously have not smoked a jinmar front end over.. nor do i have a fraction of the experience you other guys do with them. I'm just wondering 'out loud' what the differences might be inthe units that 'can' handle it, vs the units that are not designed for it.

For the units that are ok.. what is the front axle design? is there a different king pin setup.. larger axle, thicker metal? different wheel hubs / spindles? differnet bearings? different geometry? just curious.

(thanks)

Soundguy

 

[bluechip]

yes the hubs, spindles and king pins are not sized with loader work in mind. but again, I have never heard of a failure on a 2wd jinma with loader, keep in mind my sample size is very small... I would guess Homier has sold a couple hundred of them over the years, but with power steering and turf tires.

 

[Soundguy]

Well.. those few items do make a huge difference. if there is indeed smaller spindles and kingpin setup on the 20hp units.. that would deffinately be a qualifier for 'no fel' use in my book. etc.

Soundguy

 

[hbaird]

I have power Steering and intend to get Turf Tires front and rear. I would not abuse my rig, FEL or not. I have not seen the Homier 2010 equivalent to my tractor so I don't know if the front end is stronger or not. Everything I want to do is light duty compared to what I read about in the Forums. I have sand for soil and NO rocks. My real interest is a backhoe. I would like to bury some tires and some other trash and remove a lot of small 4" to 6" stumps. I am 67 and my hands don't fit a shovel so a backhoe would be good. A Terramite T5C, with the same engine as my Lawn Mower, will do all I need but rental is a pain compared to having something at home full time. At 3100LB total I doubt the T5C is stronger than my JM200LE at 2600LB bare. From what I have seen in the Forums some people can break an anvil and then blame the anvil. I will admit to moving some timber last year with my Boom Pole that kept the front wheels in the air. This worked well. I only have $3600 invested in the JM200LE, so if I completely destroyed it I would still eat tomorrow. A T5C on the other hand lists for $18700 plus delivery, way more than I want to spend.
Harold

 

[Soundguy]

Bury tires and trash? if that's all you want it for.. probably way cheaper to pay to have that stuff hauled off and disposed of properly.. rather than leave it as someone els's future problems.

Soundguy

 

[777777]

Hi all,

Well, right now there is a Jinma 200 on ebay with a ZL20 loader on it and a backhoe. 3 days to run. Listed under 2wd. An 05 with 48 hrs on it. Wants 7K and backhoe is extra.
Not that it may be right but some people do it.

Later
Tom