FEL performance - Blue vs. GreenOrange

[rockyridgefarm]

I have been shopping for a new machine for some time, and was about to go for one, this past summer. But decided to wait till the end or first of the year, so am now getting ready to get down to business.

I have a yanmar that I really like, but I need bigger, and FEL and maybe a backhoe. No offense to Yanmar fans, I am one/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif, but I don't want a tractor that is a likely target to be orphaned, with little or no support. To me that rules out some very excellant machines. But I will try to be open minded. I am not trying to make someone think THEY made a bad choice with one of those other rigs. And I know that Kioti is presantly outselling NH.

My best option, from a dealer standpoint is New Holland. My local dealer is fantastic. And a great customer of my employer, as well. I don't have a problem with the local Deere or Kubota guys; but have a great relationship with Blue.

But when I've talked to them, they want me to go to bigger than I want. I have a heavily wooded, hilly property. I think that if I go too big, I will have a terrible time getting around under all those trees and into places I will want to work. )I am not referring to turning radius, as I know that SS units make a dime look large... I mean frame size.) I simply refuse to go without 4WD. They want me in a TN65, but I think size and price are too much for me...

They feel that the Boomers won't hold up to my needs.

One other point is that my father in law was an Intenational/Kubota dealer forever. He thinks I need to stay with <font color=blue>blue</font color=blue><font color=green>green</font color=green><font color=orange>orange</font color=orange>. He has the best respect for the NH Dealer. He does have a hard time seeing anything green (what would you expect, selling against them all those years?)

And my wife grew up in tthe dealership. She will use the equipment more than I will. For that reason, I need a "deluxe" machine with hydrostatic, and easy impliment changes.

Here is what we do:

I will maintain gravel roads. Do dirtwork, trench some. Mow and bush hog. The kicker is that I need to be able to unload small round bales off the truck. and then transport them with a rear bale spike. I don't do this much. The bales are about 900lbs.

The JD 4410 looks like it would fit the bill. The loader is sized right. But will it?

The NH TC35D loader looks like it won't cut it. Am I right? I didn't want to go bigger, but it looks like the TC40D would do the job...

The Kub 3430 looks to be capable, too...

I am posting in the NH forum because I really want to work with the New Holland dealer. I want the blue guys to get their best shots in, Then I might re-post this in general (assuming I don't get good <font color=green>green</font color=green><font color=orange>orange</font color=orange> answers here...)

 

[JATO_RaT]

Mr RockyRidgeFarm, I spent awhile looking at tractors before I got what I got. It primarily came down to the loader. I wanted one that was durable for repetatively moving mountains of dirt. I wanted a 72" bucket to cover my tracks when back grading. The John Deeres while great tractors have a always unimpressed me with the relatively light weight loader. Don't get me wrong, its well made, but under continuous punishment I give them, it just looked to light. I was looking at the JD 4610 and 4710 at the time. The new models still use the same loader. The NH I had no clue about since its innovative design was hard to tell about durability. The long curve makes it look like its way out there, I have never tried one. The new Kubota 3430 has a loader that far surpasses the old 3410 in weight by a considerable amount. According to Tractorsmart, it comes with a 72" bucket as well. Its lift ability I believe surpasses both the JD and NH in the respective size. The loaders are built in the US, very well made and are a snap to remove yet feel firmly attached. That brings me to my last point. The tractor I chose was a Kubota L48, a loader that surpasses every loader in the compact class, but it won't come off without a lot of elbow grease. I thought that would not be a problem, well, it is. With about 1700 yards of dirt cut and moved, my new duties mostly involve mowing. I have 116 sprinkler heads, all above the ground. Raising and lowering the bucket is a pain. Because of the slopes I'm on, I need to keep the bucket down. Now I'm faced with selling the L48. With the new Kubotas, the 3830 or even the 3430 look very appealing, especially with the 72" bucket. Good Luck, remember, the Big three all make great tractors, I just happen to know more about the Kubotas and JD's then NH. Rat...

 

[gmason]

Hello RRfarm, I'm a tc35d, with the LA16, owner and hopefully can help you with some answers to the ability of this tractor. I've got a 5 ft finish mower and a 6ft bushhog that neither one even cause the tractor to bat an eye.

I've run a 5ft tiller on it too and I've never seen dirt fly like that before.

Loader... well, I love the H/L option in the Joystick. I've recently done a lot of dirt moving and made many trips from one pile to another with the bucket slam full and being able to shift from that high to low in the speed I range was awesome.
I'd fly up to the pile and just at the last moment while lowering the bucket into the pile I'd hit the button with my thumb and instantly get the lower range, more power, more torque. Get the bucket full and while raising the bucket shift back to high and be off to the dumping spot. All done with out ever letting go of the joystick. Very Nice...

900lbs wouldn't phase the 16LA loader, just be sure to have some counter weight in the rear. I don't have the SS, but turning is no problem. Even in tight places, with the power steering and the hydrostatic Trans it's very easy to do a multipoint turn in less than a dime.

I added a tooth bar to the bucket and this really added some capability.
As I have said before about the 16LA is that you should upgrade to the HD bucket and not get the STD.

I added extra lights to the ROPS and with NH's OM wiring appendix the connection was pretty easy.

My only problem has been the well documented No Joy Joystick. I've just replace the piece that has broken twice now. Takes on a few minutes, but NH ought to come up with a permanent fix.

Let me know if you have anything specific I/we can help you with about the Boomers.

gary

 

[Hoeman00]

The 35D and 40D are same basic tractor and loader.
W/ the quick-tach forks and front buckets,I would get a SSL bucket
for the tractor lots more sizes and capacities.
The near 2000# cap on the front loaders won't have any trouble w/
hay bales.

 

[rockyridgefarm]

Oops! I was referring to the TC33D, whixh has the lighter duty FEL. Basically I was trying to stay in the mid frame size. But I should be able to get a chance to try a 35D at my place to see how it handles 0 maybe its not too big...

 

[rockyridgefarm]

Is there an upgrade FEL (14LA?) for the TC33D in the pipe?

 

[rockyridgefarm]

One other issue comes to mind. The FEL may have a rated capacity that exceeds the tractors safe handling capacity. I was told that a bale out on forks will put far more stress than the same load in a bucket.

I understand that everything has to have proper ballast But I am concerned about safe handling as well as stress on the fron axle.

 

[grainger12002]

the New Holland 16LA loader is one of the best, it is very well built and re-inforced in many areas. It also handles more weight than any of the others,compare the New Holland-side by side and you will see the difference,the HD bucket is nice with the curled steel and re-inforced sides. best wishes with whatever you decide. Lloyd from CT.

 

[BigDave]

Yes, there will be a 14LA, but I was told by my dealer that it wouldn't be until spring before we saw them. His opinion only, I believe. Anyway, I couldn't wait that long. I'm happy with my 7308 FEL, but I wouldn't pick up a 900lb hay bale with it. What green & orange models are you considering? I might have some insight as to how they would stack up. I also live on a wooded hill, weaving through tight spots isn't too hard without the FEL. Add the FEL, and those turns get much tighter.

 

[JATO_RaT]

Actually Lloyd I did check the 16 LA to both the JD 460 and then the Kubota 853 & 852. It was slightly lower in most categories. Overall lift, height to dump, bucket rollback to mention a few. Now it wasn't much, and probably not important for most with the possible exception of loader lift height. I have always wanted to try it particularly the way I use loaders to see its "toughness", I suspect it would hold up well. I use a NH 2120 routinely with I believe a 7809 loader. It works quite well. Rat