Fencing for horses and other animals...

DAP · Jul 19, 2004

Harv .. it's so interesting ... last time I was through central texas ... been a long time ... those pipe equine fences were common ...

Up here in New York horse country, I've seen only one that I can think of and I didn't see any stock behind it. It's a cultural thing.

People up here in old New England love their aesthetics and history and I'm not sure those webbed pipes would bring sales.

In this neck, I've never heard of ANY equine fencing for 18$ a foot, but that is my inexperience apparently. Imagine that, in an area where seemingly EVERYTHING else costs more!

The function sure does ring through though. Up here for horses, the low budgets bring t-posts with tape OR 3 or 4 board PT pine, oak, cedar or locust posts.

There's a lot of equine properties in my area (large is relative - large in this area is say between 75 and 400 acres) and even more small places 5-50 acres. I know texas has a different def of large. It's all relative. Come see our tax structure for a definition of large.

That no climb and pipe may fit in gay old tejas but it'd sour the grapes up here.

EarPlug · Jul 19, 2004

Anybody know anything about 440 Fence Company, Inc. ? It is a powder coated pipe fence system with no welding.

Jack

wroughtn_harv · Jul 19, 2004

Four Forty and Preifert both use existing chainlink framework technology for their rail fencing. Four Forty uses the technology now in vogue for the industrial look in railings used in balconys and stairs. Preifert got a patent on theirs but I can guarantee you that it's a vanity patent. That's a patent in name only. That technology is older than the hills, maybe the canyons too.

Four forty has a lot of cutting and even though their product is powder coated where it's cut it needs a coat of primer and then top coat. Priefert makes their rails with a swedged end which eliminates many of the cuts but they didn't think through the gate openings.

And yes, I've studied these guys. Might be because I have designed and developed a product that has none of their drawbacks but all the advantages. Just working it through the patent process.

And Dap, I blew it on the pricing. I had just given a quote for four rail painted pipe fence and it was eighteen dollars a foot. The V Mesh is only fifteen. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'm not sure about the grapes. But if you had my fence installed by your people to my standards eighteen dollars a foot would be a bargain. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

gsganzer · Jul 19, 2004

Harv's estimate of $18/ft is probably installed.

I installed 1000 ft of two rail pipe fence and this is what my cost was per 8' section using a price of $1.25/ft. for 2 3/8" pipe.

Rails: $1.25 x 16 ft. = $20.00
Post: $1.25 x 8 ft. = $10.00
Concrete for post: $6.00
Woven wire V-Mesh: $265.00/150 ft. = $1.77/ft. 0r $14.16/8ft.

This gives a total of $50.16/8ft. or $6.27/ft.

You then have to add a delivery charge for the steel, renting an auger, primer/paint and consumables such as welding rods and oxy/acet. I found it to be pretty competitive with a wood fence, albeit more labor intensive.

TBAR · Jul 19, 2004

Cross fencing BOM and prices from five years ago.

110ROLLS) 12.5 2PT BARB WIRE $28.47 RL
44EA) 8' X 7" CEDAR POST $12.95 EA
22EA) 6' X 2-3/8" PIPE $6.60 EA
290EA) 6.5" X 5" CEDAR POST $3.75 EA
44EA) 60D BRACE SPIKE $0.08 EA
110EA) 9GA GALV TIE WIRE $0.65 EA
25LBS) STAPLES $0.63 EA
1165EA) TEE POSTS $2.16 EA
5900EA) T-POST CLIPS $0.02 EA
2910EA) 5' CEDAR STAY $0.52 EA
250EA) 14GA GALV WIRE $0.65 EA

TBAR

MikePA · Jul 19, 2004

The cost of the fence I included pictures of was $2.72/foot.

AgentWD40 · Jul 20, 2004

( Anybody know anything about 440 Fence Company, Inc. ? It is a powder coated pipe fence system with no welding.

Jack
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How much per foot is that stuff? Also, could you add some wire mesh on the lower half to make it useable for goats and sheep? How much would it add to the cost to make it goat/sheep ready? Aside from the cutting required are there any other drawbacks? Do these fence posts need to be mounted in concrete?

AgentWD40 · Jul 20, 2004

So what is "PT"? It was mentioned here: "but lasts much longer than plain PT or even asphalt painted PT" .

What are the choices of vinyl available? Are some more durable than other?

I'm looking to keep the fence at $5-6/lineal foot max.

Thanks for the help so far.

Mark4510 · Jul 20, 2004

PT=Pressure treated.
I would not use vinyl fencing of any sort for horses.

I think if you take a quick run out to the central valley you will see most of the big trainers use a fencing system similar to what Harv recomends (based on budget). Galv/painted steel with "no climb". Many use portable 4-5 rail pipe panels so they can move them as needed.

Mark

Mogombus · Jul 21, 2004

( I would not use vinyl fencing of any sort for horses.

Mark )

Why not? I see it used for horse pastures quite often. I think the logic is that the vinyl rails are flexible and if a horse bolts through the fence they will just pop out of the posts rather than staying rigid and injuring the animal.