Fertilizing organically

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Yep with all that stone it looks like a PA garden. Now you will be able to build as many stone walls as you have time. I am working on a few atm. At least 4, and when I get those done I will have to find more spots to put more stone. Its the best thing that grow. You have to watch those little stones they will reseed next year and you will have twice as many and you cant spray them.
Great job btw.
 
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thanks. You are NW of me, couple hours, and I bet the same glacier came down through here after it picked up some of "your" rocks.

As a kid, I had to walk behind a farm wagon and tractor for hours on end picking rocks out of our fields. And yes, we did make some walls with them, or at least fixed some. We had hundred+ year old stone walls going back through our woods, when the woods used to be farmed. Stone is definitely a commodity around here, and you have to get it out of the way and hopefully recycle it usefully.

When the wagon got near the end and was about to turn around, it was quite a relief for a young kid to chuck those rocks in frustration as far as i could throw them into the woods. Clunk, clunk, click, clunk, click, thud go the rocks...
 
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Drew,

We had a small garden last year and tripled it this year. This year we put horse compost from Carolina Compost, Black Cow (bags) & Black Chichen (Bags) plus a local compost called NutruGreen (leaves, grass) and tilled it.

There are normally worms and lady bugs, but we buy a few lady bugs to add.

Then we cut PVC pipe (2.6') to place where the post would be for the fence. We put a foot of the pipe in the ground. Next I cut saplings that are 14' and put them in the pipe for posts. We have 113 acres with 80 acres forested so plenty of saplings!

Next we put 3' wide hardware cloth around the bottom with 3" underground. Last we put 14" deer netting loosely as the fence.

My wife plants in "families" and rotates each year. She plants flowers at the edge of the fence and every fourth grow to deter insects.

We have a 10'x12' area in the garden that has the deer netting over the top to keep out birds as this is where we grow fruit.

Except for corn the crops have been amazing. My wife pollinated the corn as they did not brush against each other as well as they should have. The next day all were ok after her pollination.

We have a submiserable well run by a generator. This year we are putting in a drip system.

The deer stayed away only brushing the loose fence. A farmer wrote of this on TBN and it has worked great.

We are planting squash and cucumbers earlier this year and will pull them up sooner as the squash bugs and stink bugs were too plentiful last year.

We planted a great crop last year of Kumatos and will do so this year. Great taste and great shelf life.

I will post some photos of this years garden and last years crop.

Best to your efforts Drew and others,

jim
 
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The first three photos is our garden as expanded this year. The last two are some of the "bounty" of last year.
 

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Wow. I'm thinking of making a Spanish Omelette right now... what a beautiful cornucopia of the garden, like a timeless still art. Edible art:thumbsup:
All your suggestions are super, thanks.
 
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after picking easily ten tons of rocks out of this field, the garden is ready to plant. Might get some potatoes in tomorrow after the rain. Will be corn on the left side and about fifteen kinds of veggies on the right, with sunflowers surrounding the whole garden. And no chemicals. Instead of using Miracle Grow on everything which my wife tends to do, we are going to fill our watering barrels with a fish emulsion brew. Wonder if that will bring the gulls in...
 

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We are finally due some soaking rain this weekend, which we sure need. So big push to get all the cukes, squash, peas, potatoes, lima beans, snap beans in. Most of the squash got planted but some seed instructions said wait for min 50 degree nights and we sure aren't there yet.

Am bringing in half barrels of compost from our big pit at home, and using that to mix in with the seeds. With the dry conditions, it wasn't easy but doable to hand pulverize enough clay to actually plant a seed one half inch down. Not much of a covering for sure. Now I'm hoping the seeds will come up through that soil, and not have it turn to rock when dry like a clay pie crust. I'll keep it watered, but this is survival of the fittest in the clay and rock.

We put down a couple of bales of salt hay, eleven bucks a bale at our local feed mill. Interesting stuff, not much of an odor, and relatively clean. And no seeds to germinate. If I wanted this really high maintenance I could just lay sod down for the pathways and keep it all mowed....groan. I joked about that and my wife turned around and said what a great idea, and meant it! She likes things neat and tidy. I think I'd rather till in inert hay at the end of the year, plus crop residue, in order to improve friability vs. grinding up sod. Plus sod sucks water and nutrients and I'd rather have that go to the edible stuff.

Solar powered electric fence going up next week. I can go around twice. Thinking about four inches up for rabbits and groundhogs, and three feet up for deer. Suggestions? I could sure use some advice on this. Four inch standoffs so the wire shouldn't hit the plastic fencing if the wind moves it around. While Tom the Tortoise is always on guard, not much stops a ground hog.
 

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I found this article really helpful and while I've been trying to avoid animal waste products, there seems to be other alternatives.
We can get mushroom soil locally, and my brother in law just volunteered to get a large dump truck load for me (he's an excavator with equip) and he doesn't mind taking his own truck "offroad", which I don't blame the commercial guys from shying away from.'

if this doesn't format right, here's the link:Sources of Nitrogen for Organic Farms

SOURCES OF NITROGEN FOR ORGANIC FARMS
Vern Grubinger
Vegetable and Berry Specialist
University of Vermont Extension
Organic farmers, like any others, need to provide enough nitrogen (N) for crops to maintain good yields, product quality and profitability. But unlike conventional farmers, organic farmers rarely rely primarily on bagged N fertilizers. That would be costly and inconsistent with the organic approach to soil fertility, which emphasizes rotation with leguminous cover crops and application of compost or manure. However, many organic farmers do need to supplement these sources with N fertilizer, and there are many different sources to choose from. Determining which organic fertilizer material to use, how much to apply and when to apply it is just as important organically as it is conventionally, although itç—´ a bit more challenging.

First, you need to know how much available N is recommended for the crop. The New England Vegetable Management Guide and Knottç—´ Handbook for Vegetable Growers provide these numbers for specific crops. A reasonable average for mixed vegetables in the northeast is 125 pounds per acre. Small, short season crops like lettuce obviously require less; high-yield long season crops like potatoes may require more. Next, subtract how much N will be released from your soilç—´ organic matter (OM) over the season. A conservative estimate is 10 pounds for each percent of soil OM, up to 4 percent. Finally, calculate how much N will be provided by cover crops, compost and manure, and subtract that. Whatç—´ left is the fertilizer N requirement.

Legume cover crops, or green manures, can be an excellent source of N when grown in a crop rotation system that includes them on enough land and allows adequate time to produce sufficient biomass. Incorporating a vigorous stand of alfalfa, red clover or hairy vetch early in the season can provide most if not all the N needed by a subsequent vegetable crop. These crops may contain 100-200 lb of N per acre. About half the N in a green manure will be released during decomposition following incorporation. The Northeast Cover Crop Handbook explains how to estimate the N content of various cover crops by multiplying percent dry matter by N content.

Manures and composts contain and release N in varying amounts. Fresh dairy manure promptly incorporated should provide at least 5 pounds of available N per ton. Fresh poultry manure provides about 3 times that amount. Mature compost generally contains about 1% total N, but that varies depending on how itç—´ made. As compost ages, the availability of the N it contains tends to decrease. In most cases only about 10% of the total N in compost will be available to a crop in the year of application. Thatç—´ about 2 lb per ton, or 3/4 lb per cubic yard. Laboratory testing helps determine the nutrient content and availability of manure or compost.

Organic fertilizers include animal by-products, plant-derived materials and mined minerals. These can be purchased individually or as fertilizer blends. Many of these materials also contain other nutrients, and some contain carbon, which will help maintain soil OM and soil structure. As with conventional fertilizers, cost is lowest when purchasing in bulk.

ORGANIC % N C/N LB N/TON EXAMPLE $/LB N RELEASE COMMENTS
SOURCE OF N FOB COST/TON RATE

fresh dairy manure 0.5 18 11 $ 8 $0.72 medium 0.5-0.1-0.5, has weed seeds, consistency varies
fresh cage layer manure 1.5 7 30 $15 $0.50 rapid 1.5-1-0.5, may be hard to handle, can burn
poultry manure compost 4 15 80 $251 $3.13 slow 3-4-3 analysis varies, may be pelletized
finished ç´*ield compost 1.2 17 24 $25 $1.04 slow 1-1-1 analysis varies, aids soil 蘇ealth
legume hay 2.5 16 50 you grow you grow medium strong stand with tops provides most N
grass hay 1.2 32 25 you grow you grow medium releases N when young; old growth ties N up
alfalfa meal 2.7 15 54 $348 $6.44 medium 3-0.5-3, feed grade by the ton
soybean meal 6 7 120 $314 $2.62 medium 6-1-2, feed grade by the ton
blood meal 12 3 260 $1,146 $4.41 rapid 13-2-0, mad cow risk similair to eating meat
cottonseed meal 6 7 120 $ 736 $6.13 slow 6-2-2 analysis, 85% water insoluble N
crab meal 5 4 100 $ 628 $6.28 medium 5-2-0.5 analysis, 15% Ca
fish meal 9 4 180 $1,157 $6.42 rapid 9-3-0, smelly, dusty, may contain high salts
feather meal 10 4 200 $ 968 $4.84 vy. slow contains protein slow to break down
Chilean nitrate 16 no C 320 $ 500 $1.56 rapid organic standards limit usage
å–„ro-Gro?-3-4 5 3 100 $ 340 $3.40 medium balanced organic fertilizer blend
å–„ro-Booster?0-0-0 10 2 200 $ 375 $1.87 medium vegetable and plant meals plus 1/3 Chilean
 

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